So Boris Johnson is the new PM.

[AngeloMysterioso]

Aaaaaaaaand we’re fucked.

Woof - sadly you are so right!

Brings to mind that quote

Those who seek power are not worthy of the power

The type of people most likely to think they are good enough to run things are usually too narcissistic to recognise their weaknesses.

But there's also the problem of who people are most likely to vote for. Particularly in the uk! Too many are still stuck in the mindset of thinking that the upper classes "should" be in charge - regardless of clear evidence of their inability to organise the proverbial piss up!

I genuinely don't understand anyone who isn't independently wealthy voting Tory EVER. They have NEVER. Given a fuck for anyone who isn't of their own ilk.

Absolute idiocy as usual and head buried in the sand re Corbyn

Corbyn only meets with the sides aligned against the U.K. / west. He didn’t represent the U.K. government or have anything to do with the good Friday agreement in fact he only agitated that situation as he does every conflict he wades into

He meets hamas and Hezbollah, 2 bone fuse terrorist groups, calls them his friends and never meets Israel or their representatives. He is no agent of peace or facilitator of a conversation of any type other than one of support for the very unpleasant sides he sympathises with

Why you’re wasting your time trotting our the same defence of him that hasn’t worked for the last 4 years I can’t understand but he is now a politically spent force which is why Watson is presently setting up a centrist opposition to Momentum and their band of ultra left lunatics who have ruined the Labour Party with their racism and unpalatable unfeasible Marxism.

Even McDonnel is now making it obvious that he is moving against Corbyn.

I was at Glasto this summer and not a single mention of the old racist anywhere, Corbyn is finished.

And as for the BoJo Picaninnies / watermelon thing he was attacking that characterisation not promoting it but don’t let a good old lie get in the way of your prejudice

I genuinely don't understand anyone who isn't independently wealthy voting Tory EVER. They have NEVER. Given a fuck for anyone who isn't of their own ilk

I guess you didn’t experience the clusterfuck that was the last 2 labour governments then and their socialist dystopia in the 70’s that saw power cuts, garbage piling up in the streets. Or Blair’s version that featured the Iraq War, wholesale deregulation of the city resulting in the banking crisis, and ended with a deficit that was 11% of the countries GDP.

Sorry but your comments are ignorant prejudice that show a simplistic lack of understanding of the dynamics of how a country and its budget are run.

@Shortstuff99, this thread’s about our new PM, not Corbyn. And please don’t try to defend Johnson’s racism, it’s beyond the pale.

Shortstuff99, rubbish, absolute rubbish.

SSD, What a fabulous post, you have changed mine and likely many others’ minds with your well structured and logically developed points what a wonderful debater you are

this thread’s about our new PM, not Corbyn. And please don’t try to defend Johnson’s racism, it’s beyond the pale.

Oh sorry I didn’t realise you were in charge of Mumsnet

Unfortunately in life you do run the risk of encountering people with different opinions to you

Sorry that you seem to find it difficult

It’s almost as though it might be a good idea to have a good relationship with the president of the largest economy on Earth at a time when we might be leaving our existing major trading partner.

It's almost as if it might not be such a good idea to leave our existing major trading and diplomacy partner after all, when the vast economy we're contemplating selling our soul to wants in return to gobble up our NHS, compromise our food safety standards and have us do their dirty work in the Gulf, to name but three.

Racism is inexcusable. If you want to defend that crack on. I’m fussy about the company I keep.

I’m not defending any racism but thanks for the misrepresentation, part of the usual tedious and predictably piss poor debating technique on here

are you interviewing for a cabinet position? There's not much competition and I think you will be a shoe in.

I wouldn’t want to take a cut in pay to have my life and my family subjected to the idiocy of the general public as evidenced on this discussion. And I am too short.

why do people think the fact that things were worse in the past is a valid defence for them being shit now?

How can the shitness of any previous prime minister (or either flavour) make BJ any less awful?

Its like saying we don't deserve better employment rights today, because it was all fecking poor houses 200 years ago....

If BJ is shit, and he is, then he's shit.

The fact Thatcher, May, Brown, Blair and Cameron were (arguably) worse doesn't actually help, it just serves to underline what a piss poor version of democracy we really operate in.

@StoneofDestiny I'm trying to get my head round that piece from the Spectator that was printed under his editorship.

That is truly shocking.

You say 'imagine if that was said about the Jewish people'. Well yes, that pretty much sounds like it was lifted from what was written about them before 6 million of them were systematically murdered.

I'm flabbergasted that the Spectator wasn't prosecuted for printing something so abhorrent tbh.

@Shortstuff99

This is what Boris Johnson wrote:
“They say he is shortly off to the Congo. No doubt the AK47s will fall silent, and the pangas will stop their hacking of human flesh, and the tribal warriors will all break out in watermelon smiles to see the big white chief touch down in his big white British taxpayer-funded bird.”

“What a relief it must be for Blair to get out of England. It is said that the Queen has come to love the Commonwealth, partly because it supplies her with regular cheering crowds of flag-waving piccaninnies; and one can imagine that Blair, twice victor abroad but enmired at home, is similarly seduced by foreign politeness.”

Do feel free to explain how you feel this statement is 'attacking' the racist characterisation of black people.

Trump in America and Boris in the UK? The world has officially gone mad.

You know it’s like someone had been in a coma.
They wake up and a kindly relative tells them that Donald Trump is president of USA, they’d laugh and say “fuck me, next you’ll be telling me that Boris Johnson is the PM”
HAHAHA
dark days indeed

Shortstuff99 you are wrong in your assumptions - I absolutely remember the last 2 Labour govts AND the last Tory govt -

We've got power cuts and rubbish piling up in the streets NOW under THIS Tory govt - oh...did you not realise?!

As for financial deregulation, destruction of the economy altogether, unemployment, low wages, high housing costs - think you'll find that's all started with and continued with the tories and new labour were NEVER true labour or socialists anyway!

So I'm perfectly well aware of where the "clusterfucks" have come from - as are many others!

"I wouldn’t want to take a cut in pay " see at least I can understand why you vote Tory if their shite attitude and policies towards the poor, sick and disabled isn't going to affect you. Understand but don't condone - typical "I'm alright Jack" attitude.

"why do people think the fact that things were worse in the past is a valid defence for them being shit now?" Because for all their bluster they know they don't have a decent defence for what's happening.

They know they cannot justify the attitude that poverty, illness and disability are moral failings/character flaws, because they want to carry on believing the utter nonsense that they "earned" their wealth and privilege because they "worked hard" because the working class people on nmw can't POSSIBLY be just as if not more hard working 🤔

Instead of facing the reality that it's sheer LUCK if you're born ( & remain) healthy into a family that is better off than others and that gives them opportunities throughout their entire lives (barring ill health to a degree) that others (the ones they denigrate and dismiss and mock!) simply don't have.

https://digitalsynopsis.com/inspiration/privileged-kids-on-a-plate-pencilsword-toby-morris/

https://www.ted.com/talks/paulpifffdoesmoneyymakeyouu_mean/up-next

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4K5fbQ1-zps

Most of them wouldn't last 5 minutes living in social housing, navigating low employment, benefits, poor access to healthcare etc.

See it all the time on here on threads where struggling posters ask for advice on making £15 feed a family for a week, having a shit relationship, awful neighbours etc:

"Just buy X product that costs £16 and you can make your money go further" poster only HAS £15

"Why don't you move house?" Maybe cos in most parts of uk that costs AT LEAST £1000 that Mostar people don't have just hanging around somewhere

"Get another job" when they're already working full time, have a chronic illness that already makes it difficult and no additional free childcare available!

Clueless!

Sean Connery as 007 once said "An actor for President -never" - before Ronald Reagan was elected.

At least we had things like Spitting Image and 'The President's Brain is Missing' to take our minds off our imminent nuclear destruction. It obviously worked, because it didn't happen - but we were scared as f*ck really. So I do undertand your fears in a way.

*"why do people think the fact that things were worse in the past is a valid defence for them being shit

Someone should put a board with these words at the lectern used in prime ministers questions. There is no longer debate just infantile finger pointing and bullying.

Why do people think the fact that things were worse in the past is a valid defence for them being shit

Someone should put a board with these words at the lectern used in prime ministers questions. There is no longer debate just infantile finger pointing and bullying.

... and I should go to bed!

Graphista i experienced similar on a social housing thread last week when i was posting about my downstairs neighbour Though i had to fucking laugh when she suggested that i dont give a fuck about social housing tenants

ME!

I love the irony of someone claiming to be the authority on how the dynamics of how a country and its banks are run claiming the 2008 financial crisis was down to banking deregulation in the UK. Nothing to do with it being a global crisis originating with US mortgage pyramid schemes then?

Somebody was blaming Ed Milliband for the advent of Brexit... if had not gone against his brother... 🤦🏻‍♀️