to think BBC should be privatised - pronto

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First off, can I say I have mixed feelings about posting this. I hate political propaganda on MN, I really do. But I really also dislike BBC PC propaganda (for which I'm paying!!), and No. 2 the fact that most of their programmes are utter shite, from Antiques Roadshow to, well, just about everything else. There was a sensitive-ish BBC programme on Germaine Greer about 6 months ago but I struggle to think of anything else I've watched thats raised the intellectual bar above a pea-shoot.

You really do need to go to other channels for controversy, intellectual stimulation and enjoyment. Apart from their Comedy Department of course - brilliant (This Country and People Do Nothing are the exceptions). But really, the rest is a load of PC-Rest-Home crap. If I see another PubliC service Announcement on Eastenders or their so-called "news" on BBC also known as propaganda, I think I'll scream.

Really, they should put it out of its misery and kill it off and save us all £150 a year? I used to be neutral, but have really grown to dislike Auntie's "we know best" (they don't) over the last few years.

"Which one has been around longer? Which one is a choice to pay for? Which one is cheaper? "

Netflix has a world wide budget and has only produced a few hits despite throwing billions at productions.

Netflix budget per year is £15bn

The BBCs is £4.722 billion.

"Which one hides child abuse?"

Cough, Kevin Spacey.

a state broadcaster with the manadate to "inform, educate and entertain" is arguably are rather important part of providing a service of infornation and education.

How lucky we little people are to have those wonderfully wise BBC folk decide what we need to be educated and informed about!

Look, the BBC does some stuff extremely well. But assuming that everything they serve up has educational value just because they’re the state broadcaster seems bizarrely naive. And a bit sinister!

The great thing about the internet is that we can seek out a range of different voices. I know that everyone I listen to has an editorial viewpoint. The BBC is no different because it’s made up of a group of people who share common ideas and values. This influences the type of programming they commission. I love some of the stuff
I see on the BBC but to think that they’re impartial is bonkers.

As IMDB is a user contributor edited site i would trust it as about as much as i trust anything that can be edited by any one and reported as fact wikipedia, youtube, even tbh social media and mumsnet

Stuart ashen to name one of many youtbers have an issue with IMDB for this exact reason.

Tbh i thought the "one that works" was more about the reliablity of IMDB than the fact the link didnt work

The BBC’s conduct in relation to Savile was disgraceful and I personally am not comfortable dismissing it in that cavalier fashion. Really not ok.
It’s an example of the way institutions instinctively act to protect themselves not the victim. The church did it. The NHS does it. And companies public and private do it. The BBC needs to show it’s learned the lessons and I am not quite sure it has.

How lucky we little people are to have those wonderfully wise BBC folk decide what we need to be educated and informed about!

Somebody needs to getvthe chip of their shoulder and actally look at the history of the bbc.

It was set up by lard rieth to "inform, educate ajd educate" that is its mandate, its sole purpose.

You can dismiss your man above immediately.

Given that it’s an hour long interview and you posted 7 minutes after I did, how do you know what he’s saying?

Andrew Neil and Nick Robinson are not social conservatives. Do you understand what that term means?

YANBU, it has had its day.

"The BBC’s conduct in relation to Savile was disgraceful and I personally am not comfortable dismissing it in that cavalier fashion. Really not ok."

Would that be Savile who obtained positions of trust in NHS hospitals, with the government, got invites to Buckingham Palace and Chequers?

The man who the police got reports about but left alone?

Wouldn't you say its more of a comment on society at the time rather than just the BBC?

jillyhilly Do you really believe that the BBC is ‘sinister’ and looks upon its audience as ‘little people’?

Cough, Kevin Spacey.

Yes because as soon as Netflix found out they sacked him and pulled him out of House of cards.

As soon as the BBC found out about Saville they ignored it, promotes him, paid him a fortune and made an entire TV show to give him access to children...

It's the same, exactly the same..

Look, you like BBC, you don't mind it wasting vast sums, or.paying incredibly wealthy men a fortune, the wage gap between its female and male employees etc etc etc, you crack on.
I would happily see the BBC go subscription, you like it, you fund it.
I'll use my money on what I like and fund that.
I will not fund any company I dislike the practices of, I dislike the practices of the BBC, I choose not to give it my money.

It stopped educating years back.

It's mostly trash.

For starters they can stop paying Gary Lineker: the millions tune in for the football. That they ignore this is nuts imho.

"Andrew Neil and Nick Robinson are not social conservatives. Do you understand what that term means?"

They are both Conservative politically and social conservatives.

In fact the BBC is very socially conservative as a whole, however right wingers and social conservatives love to believe that they are being oppressed.

bigball no no one is ok with that. Of course not, absolutely BBC of the 70's and 80s should be held accontable for that.

Just as, as you say, the church, NHS etc do.

Thats a rather different issue though. Privatising it not going to make it more accountable in fact its going to make it less so.

Should we then privetise the church, the NHS even the govenment because of the behaviour and cover up of pediphilia?

Andrew Neil is gone is he not?

Or have they found him a new graveyard slot?

"As soon as the BBC found out about Saville they ignored it, promotes him, paid him a fortune and made an entire TV show to give him access to children... "

Except that's not what happened is it? That's your revisionist spin set up to justify your poor former point.

Oh and the Kevin Spacey allegations have been around from a long time, just like the Savile rumors.

BTW Savile? Conservative.

If you actually read what I said, sion, I made the point that the BBC’s failures re Savile were absolutely aligned with those found in other institutions, public and private.
What I didn’t like was the tone of your dismissal. I found it inappropriately flippant. Given the nature of the issues that doesn’t sit right with me I’m afraid.

Oh I see I’m dealing with someone who thinks a child abuser is a cue to make cheap digs at tories.
I’ll take my bat and ball in. No point arguing with that mentality.

Except that's not what happened is it? That's your revisionist spin set up to justify your poor former point.

Then please educate us.

Andrew Neil a social conservative? That's an opinion I could argue about for a while.

Do you know any practising Christians or Muslims?

"Andrew Neil is gone is he not?"

He is now, but to accuse the BBC of bias for the left wing when it had a right wing lead presenter of its politics daily show then its a little hard to swallow, and a former leader of the Young Conservatives as its political editor, and self defined one nation Tory as the lead presenter on Newsnight, the list goes on really.

It stopped educating years back

Really did it

Blue planet - the programme that caused the plastic revolution

War in the blood

The panaroma programmes that lead to the investigation in winterbourne view

The rather recent panaroma in to the care crisis

Life on earth

Shall i continue .......

"Then please educate us."

Oh no you made the claims.

Please show me evidence that the BBC knew about Savile and then set up the TV show to have access to kids.

In fact the investigation into him by Dame Janet Smith said: "I have found no evidence that the BBC as a corporate body was aware of Savile’s conduct”

So its the same as Spacey, lots of chat, nothing actually formal.

"Do you know any practicing Christians or Muslims?"

Of course, did you not know the BBC airs programmes for practicing Christians as part of its remit?

What you really mean when you say its not socially conservative is that you only want your viewpoint represented.

So everyone who has ever worked at the BBC is guilty for the crimes of Savile and that’s why we should abolish it?
As for ‘the BBC stopped educating years ago’ have you heard about what the BBC programme Blue Planet has done in educating the whole world about plastic?

I’m not arguing that the BBC should be privatised, naught. I’ve said I support it. Given similar institutional failures are found in organisations public and private I don’t the savile affair as an argument which weighs in the balance one way or t’other