to think BBC should be privatised - pronto

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First off, can I say I have mixed feelings about posting this. I hate political propaganda on MN, I really do. But I really also dislike BBC PC propaganda (for which I'm paying!!), and No. 2 the fact that most of their programmes are utter shite, from Antiques Roadshow to, well, just about everything else. There was a sensitive-ish BBC programme on Germaine Greer about 6 months ago but I struggle to think of anything else I've watched thats raised the intellectual bar above a pea-shoot.

You really do need to go to other channels for controversy, intellectual stimulation and enjoyment. Apart from their Comedy Department of course - brilliant (This Country and People Do Nothing are the exceptions). But really, the rest is a load of PC-Rest-Home crap. If I see another PubliC service Announcement on Eastenders or their so-called "news" on BBC also known as propaganda, I think I'll scream.

Really, they should put it out of its misery and kill it off and save us all £150 a year? I used to be neutral, but have really grown to dislike Auntie's "we know best" (they don't) over the last few years.

All those people who think Netflix is the only thing worth watching, where do you get your news from and what do you listen to on the radio?

I don't listen to the radio, just audio books and podcasts. News I read online newspapers.

\3The independent investigation that couldn't compel those senior managers to give evidence.... "

Yet lots did, and the independent inquiry that had access to BBC complaint archives.

"Can you not understand how that makes the conclusion drawn very unreliable?"

Can you not understand how the total lack of evidence for your claims makes them less reliable.

Don't pay the licence fee, but your using Savile as a justification is ridiculous and you can't prove the things you claimed.

Re savile, it’s just bonkers that anyone could say that lack of awareness of senior managers was a defence. The fact that issues were not escalated was PART OF THE FUCKING PROBLEM. Forgive caps but really. Do you people have no grasp of how governance is supposed to work?

And for what it's worth, the report by dame janet had 117 witnesses that had worked for the BBC. Have a guess how.many of those 117 were managers?

"The fact that issues were not escalated was PART OF THE FUCKING PROBLEM. Forgive caps but really. Do you people have no grasp of how governance is supposed to work?"

You are applying today's standards to the 1970s and 1980s. That's not how things worked then especially with allegations like this, none of which were made officially!

Ok.. what did I claim?

The BBC knew..
They did.. (as evidenced by investigations and witness testimony)
The BBC promoted Savile..
They did.. (as proven by move to top of the Pops, Jim'll fix it etc etc)
The BBC gave him his own show and allowed him access to young children...
They did.. (Jim'll fix it)

You are applying today's standards to the 1970s and 1980s. That's not how things worked then especially with allegations like this, none of which were made officially!

Why are you so determined to defend senior management at the BBC in the Savile affair?

It’s like you can’t bear to hear a word against the place. Really rather creepy.

Because the investigation into it found that even those who did know about the creepy behaviour didn't report it, and the report even says in regard to 5 of the 8 occasions reported ( none officially remember) " It appears to me that the culture of the times both within and without the BBC was such that incidents of this kind were not treated seriously and, as a result, I am not surprised that none of these reports resulted in a full investigation. "

So yes, some of these things would result in investigation now, but wouldn't then and the more serious incidents were not reported to management at all.

MonkeyToesOfDoom You listen to music in YouTube. If everyone did the same as you our music industry would die on its arse.

You listen to music in YouTube. If everyone did the same as you our music industry would die on its arse.
For smaller music creators that would never get played on the radio they get exposure and payment on YouTube. For some musicians there whole career is YouTube and they make a decent living. Also the music industry needs to evolve, the way people are listening to music is changing.

You have clearly never listed to 6Music Oww because they give new artists a massive platform. The BBC has a great track record for promoting new music and it does so fairly in terms of the royalties it pays. Unlike YouTube.

howwudufeel

MonkeyToesOfDoom You listen to music in YouTube. If everyone did the same as you our music industry would die on its arse

You know when you watch YouTube, they have adverts at the beginning right? The advertisers pay YouTube, who pay the video uploader.
Psy, who made Gangnam style, made over $800k just from that one video on YouTube. Doesn't seem like it'd die on its arse to me.

Justin Bieber... YouTube..

You have clearly never listed to 6Music Oww because they give new artists a massive platform.
I don't listen to radio but my point still stands, while 6musix may promote new artists there will be lots of niches that won't be played which YouTube can be a great platform for.
If your in that section YouTube can be a great for exposure and payment for smaller artists. YouTube is not a destroyer of the music industry.

YouTube I pick what I listen to, I can source new artists. BBC radio they choose and I have to listen.

MonkeyToesOfDoom the payments made by YouTube are shit.

Sion, god love you, concepts of escalation and sound governance are not new. Plenty of other organisations failed to adhere to them, and still do - I get that. But the notion of corporate responsibility for acts and omissions of your staff is centuries old. If your staff don’t escalate - it’s your fault. If they did and managers did nothing - it’s your fault. If you don’t provide the means or avenues for them to escalate - it’s your fault.
None of this is new. I really don’t get why this is the hill you want to die on. I can see you don’t know much about this field, but surely common sense comes in at some point?

"concepts of escalation and sound governance are not new"

Yet they are impacted by the culture of the time, which as was cited in the report was very different.

There is both presentism going on here the points you raise are all valid for organisations now, but not so much in the 1970 and 80s, as many of us who were around at the time will tell you.

Savile was a foul criminal sex offender, but the whole of society facilitated him at the time, not just the BBC, and it should be noted that the claims about senior managers knowing have not been backed up.

You’re being ridiculous, I’m sorry. The notion that no organisation in those periods recognised the need to put structures in place to enable serious issues to be escalated and dealt with appropriately is simply untrue. The BBC did not do that. The BBC was wrong.
I might gently suggest that your determination to defend the organisation at all costs and, perhaps, your own exposure to dysfunctional institutions might be impacting your judgement on this.

Ridiculous post. I love the BBC and don't see it as being "PC". Daily mail reader by any chance? I trust their news, love their documentaries and like my kids to watch cbeebies. I like their lack of ads. There is so much conservative led propaganda at the moment against the BBC. Why do we have to privatise everything? I think yabu..

moominfan

i don’t listen to radio - just audio books and podcasts

And that’s one of the main reasons why we have ended up in our current mess. People only listening to what they want to hear, having their news ‘filtered’ for them so that it matches their preferences.

There’s no way this can go wrong ......

I think it’s important to have somewhere free from ads.

BUT

The BBC is too big and too expensive.

The license fee should be no more than £5 pcm with low income people exempt.

Too many managers on six figure pay and too many overpaid presenters.