to think BBC should be privatised - pronto

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First off, can I say I have mixed feelings about posting this. I hate political propaganda on MN, I really do. But I really also dislike BBC PC propaganda (for which I'm paying!!), and No. 2 the fact that most of their programmes are utter shite, from Antiques Roadshow to, well, just about everything else. There was a sensitive-ish BBC programme on Germaine Greer about 6 months ago but I struggle to think of anything else I've watched thats raised the intellectual bar above a pea-shoot.

You really do need to go to other channels for controversy, intellectual stimulation and enjoyment. Apart from their Comedy Department of course - brilliant (This Country and People Do Nothing are the exceptions). But really, the rest is a load of PC-Rest-Home crap. If I see another PubliC service Announcement on Eastenders or their so-called "news" on BBC also known as propaganda, I think I'll scream.

Really, they should put it out of its misery and kill it off and save us all £150 a year? I used to be neutral, but have really grown to dislike Auntie's "we know best" (they don't) over the last few years.

MonkeyToesOfDoom So you are not interested in UK news then. I worry about the impartiality of news outlets and that’s why I trust the BBC.
As for overpaid DJs, you don’t seem to realise that they are simply the front of house. The BBC and other radio stations are massive employers and pay decent wages to people too. If nobody paid for anything, like you, I dread to think about the impact on the UK jobs market. Still, you are happy, getting stuff for free from your laptop, so that’s OK

This makes them a ton of profit.. why can't they use that profit to fund further shows instead of bullying more license fee out of people?

Where do you think that profit goes.....

They aim to make a profit precisely because the license fee has been held down or reduced indirectly.

The profits then go straight back into the bbc. For making more shows.

I have a computer in my pocket that accesses this new thing called 'The internet' it contains news from around the world that can accessed instantly and often as the news unfolds

And where is that news sourced from...

A lot of it is bullshit and panic inducing. And, let’s be frank, made up.

A"nd people might relapse how.much of a con the BBC is when they realise they're big shows end up on Netflix anyway, i watched Bodyguard last week on Netflix. "

And the Body Guard wouldn't have got made just on the fees that netflix pay.

Do you want to list all the really successful shows that netflix have produced in the last 10 years and compare it to the list of BBC ones?

And here we see the flaw in the BBC fan thinking..

The BBC is perfect, unbiased, impartial and all other news sources aren't.
Bull honky.

Strawman argument there, no one claimed that.

However the BBC is impartial, which is why both left and right think its biased against them.

Although right wingers more so, mainly because they have a persecution complex.

The BBC bully people into paying a fee, they use that fee to make shows like bodyguard, BBC show Bodyguard on BBc1 for the people that paid for it. But the BBC then sells Bodyguard to Netflix in the UK and in the US and to many other networks around the world. This makes them a ton of profit.. why can't they use that profit to fund further shows instead of bullying more license fee out of people?

Just a few things.

1. the BBC don't bully any one in to payimg the licence fee it was an act of govenment. Just like any other 'tax'. As has been pointed out the govenment insist on everyone makes contributions towards a number of things for the greater good of the country, education, healthcare, waste disposal, the emergency services, and a state broadcaster with the manadate to "inform, educate and entertain" is arguably are rather important part of providing a service of infornation and education. Are you bullied in to paying for that state education? Or that NHS hospital??! Or that fire service that may well save your life.

2. your arguement that people might find out what a con the BBC Is as shows like the body guard are on netflix any way. I suspect that won't be for much longer. As sone one has said programes like "friends" have already been pulled from netflix in the states because warner are launching their own subscription service. Well the BBC and ITV have just launched Britbox. It will pull things like bodyguard, blue planet etc etc. And put them on there own platforms.

3. in terms of selling the programes it makes, and ussing that money to run the organisation. The majority of the funding/profit does indeed come from BBC worldwide the commercial arm of the BBC. Do you really think a state briadcaster can servive on just the licence fee alone. If you look across the irish sea, you'll see that their state broadcaster, which also recieves a licence fee, is also funded by adverts. The licence fee does not and never has been the companies only source of income. In fact the majority of the ibcome thaf is used to make shows like body guard is not from the licence fee.

Do you want to list all the really successful shows that netflix have produced in the last 10 years and compare it to the list of BBC ones?

Which source would you like?
IMDb:
www.imdb.com/search/title/?num_votes=100000,&sort=user_rating,desc&title_type=tv_series&

"And where is that news sourced from..."

Was the comment, and a lot of news reporting is biased bullshit, especially with the rise of the internet.

"Which source would you like?
IMDb:"

One that works?

where do you get your news from and what do you listen to on the radio?

I have lots of news apps, the times, guardian, ap news, reuters amongst others and use feedly to organise more news feeds on various topics.
And I use Spotify for music and podcasts.

I worry about the impartiality of news outlets and that’s why I trust the BBC.

The BBC is not impartial. There is very definitely an editorial point of view. I would say that it reports things accurately, but not fairly. There is a difference.

Fantastic interview here with Robin Aitken, long-time BBC journalist, on bias at the BBC. It’s a very thoughtful and entertaining piece.

MonkeyToesOfDoom I am interested in my local news like whether there are food banks in my city or if the council is funding local schools properly. The BBC local to me did a series of stories about rogue landlords renting out substandard properties to vulnerable people. You are unlikely to get that sort of information from your favourite international news channels.

The BBC is run by human beings and therefore is flawed like any other organisation. However it is accountable, which is where the difference lies with other news outlets.

"The BBC is not impartial."

Academic studies say that there is an ever so slight bias in reporting toward the government of the day, they get first response to everything so can set the agenda somewhat more than the opposition.

The BBC is extremely impartial in comparison to many other news sources.

You can dismiss your man above immediately.

The BBC has lots of social conservatives presenting and running programs.

Andrew Neil, John Humphries, Nick Robinson, Kamal Ahmed and many more.

Just because someone says something doesn't make it true.

One that works?

Cause copy and paste is too much work?..
Fucking ... L oh fucking L...

What do you mean? It’s OK to copy other people’s hard work and not pay for it.

I was just telling my DH last night that often I feel the TV licence is worth it.
To name a few
Dr Foster, Bodyguard, Line of duty, Killing Eve, Luther, Blue Planet (which actually kicked off that plastic fight. It's even called Blue planet effect), Inside a factory, great british menu and many, many more enjoyable series. And without ads every 11.5 minutes...

I also grew up on BBc series and I am not even from UK😮

"Cause copy and paste is too much work?.. "

Well you posted the link.

Take a look though, a BBC show is higher rated than anything Netflix have done and the BBC have more in the top 50 than Netflix too. In fact only HBO have more.

Oh and Black Mirror doesn't count, started on Channel 4.

Mind you, any site that has the Wire and the Sopranos rated under Breaking Bad I wouldn't trust anyway.

I'm glad you spotted that... Now think to yourself...

Which one has been around longer? Which one is a choice to pay for? Which one is cheaper? Which one attempts to give people criminal records if they choose not to pay for it? Which one hides child abuse? Which one attempted to avoid paying contractors fairly?

The problem with Netflix is that it caters to a specific demographic. It doesn’t try to satisfy the whole audience in the same way that terrestrial TV has to. There is so much more to the BBC than the blockbusters like The Bodyguard and Dr. Who. Millions of people enjoy things like Question Time, Gardener’s World, Test Match Special, regional radio stations. These are all things that Netflix wouldn’t ever want to touch. This is what makes the BBC unique, and it’s why I think it’s worth keeping.

I am a Tory voter and I am quite prepared to accept that the bbc Gad an institutional left wing bias. I do not think it is evident in its news coverage to any significant extent. It is evident in eg the tedious comedians that radio four compels us to be introduced to at 6.30 weekday evenings. (Although the established programmes are brilliant.)
We need the bbc more in the age of dodgy news websites not less. It is subject to laws, rules and standards which can be enforced against it. So while it’s not free if bias it is honest. Some fly by night website is not. Even if you did die then for eg libel, they would have no money to pay you.