To reject the abhorrent Trump rally with all my heart and soul

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I rarely post here and actually I am not being unreasonable. Last night's rally in the States was truly utterly terrifying. We are no longer sleepwalking into repeating history, we are marching into it with the drums beating.

Where ever you lie on the political spectrum, we need to fight racism and reject it with all our might. We must stop the normalisation of it in the UK and we must ensure we do not see scenes like we saw in the States last night.

I'd post a BBC link, but I cannot find one on their mobile site.
www.cnn.com/2019/07/17/politics/donald-trump-greenville-rally/index.html

Frightening, I agree. His targeting of left-wing women of colour should alienate not only every Democrat voter (already sorted) but every reasonable Republican. He is attacking the essence of what it means to be American.

YANBU. White supremism for all to see. A racist and sexual predator as US president. The world has gone mad.

YANBU. I feel sick this morning.

It's disgusting. There is no other word for it. Right now the US has no place in the modern world.

YANBU nor is any other person with a claim to sanity. We'd better wake up and get rid of these bastards before we find we can't. I haven't the words to describe my contempt for these fascists. Utterly, utterly vile in every respect.

Chilling. I have US family and friends. Some of them Trump voters. They are appalled too.

One of the aspects that frightens me is that when the House had a vote to denounce Trump's racist tweets this week, all but four republicans voted against it. Can they not see that they have stepped onto the wrong side of history?

bellini bmnot having a go but genuinely curious as to why they are appalled? We all saw the racist attacks on Obama, the pussy grabbing comments and the mocking of the disabled before this creature was elected.

It's good to hear that Bellini

I watched clips on Twitter and it was appalling. The chanting whipped up by him 'Send Her Back' levelled at a voted in Somali congresswoman was disgusting. She won 78% of the vote in Minnesota and there's the POTUS holding a Rally and inciting the crowd to shout that.

Max I think it's like the naughty child who misbehaves at a family party. At first many of the room thinks 'awww, but they are so sweet' and 'how funny' but then the child upends a table and pours a drink over the guest of honour and hopefully the room stops in horror and realises it's gone too far.

I actually came on here to say the same things. It's one of the most disturbing things I've ever seen. I'll be accused of encoding Godwins Law, but this like something from Nazi Germany!

Well no more excuses can be made for him. I wonder if even Piers Morgan will try to minimise this? It goes against everything I thought America was about? The great thing about the internet is that all of those who publicly support him are on record for ever. They and their descendants can never claim they didn’t know what was going on or were just following orders.

The congress women are right though, he’s rattled by them and they need to not become distracted. Let him yell obscenities in the corner like that drunken priest in Father Ted and ignore. Focus instead on his failed policies, disorganised government, corruption and nepotism. He’s trying to distract from those things by causing outrage.

I think it would be a mistake to assume people that voted for him were tricked, or didn’t appreciate who he really is etc.

He has been obvious from the start of his campaign, and even well before that.

He is popular because he gives permission to people to express their very worst selves, and makes them feel entitled to do so. The USA like everywhere else is racist and built on white supremacy.

I have no idea how this would be stopped; appeals to logic or reason or truth are powerless. They know he has said racist and misogynist things. They know he promises 100 impossible things (reopening coal mines?!?) before breakfast and is a liar of the highest degree. It makes no difference.

I expect there will be a war.

What you say is true Unfinished both with regards to it all being on record and also that it is a distraction. Unfortunately though if we just dismiss it as a distraction I think we allow fascism to grow further. His actions and words will have profound consequences across the globe, emboldening others to act in the same way.

Yep, totally terrified by it this morning.

There is a man that writes all of trumps speeches who is backing Boris and wrote a speech for him too, cannot remember his name. But it’s all linked. Britain is walking into this right wing craziness too. Very very scary.

The deficit has exploded under Trump - see Forbes link below. An economic shock of epic proportions will come about in the next few years.

I hope these women don’t get dragged into the gutter of a Twitter war with him. They will not win as that’s where him and his supporters excel. All they know to do is fight in the gutter and bring negativity. Focus on his failures.

I feel sorry for ordinary Americans that this is how they’re being represented on the world stage. He makes Nixon look great in comparison. His policies are failing but he covers it up with outrage.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2019/03/09/trumps-twin-deficits-are-exploding/amp/

I mean, there was a time where any politician who referred to blacks people as picaninnies would have been sacked immediately and now he’s being voted in as prime minister. I don’t know how this has happened?

It’s repulsive, truly.

What scares me about the UK is that although we have plenty of openly racist politicians and wannabe politicians, so much of the racism in our politics is hidden in plain sight, tucked away in Home Office policies (Windrush etc) and not screamed out for all to see. Although even when it is right out and proud - as with Boris Johnson and his history of racism - it doesn’t seem to be a problem for all too many voters. If it’s said in a posh accent and topped and tailed with some Latin or Ancient Greek, it seems just fine.

But it seems unlikely to me that we’ll end up having tiki torch parades or rallies, which allows people who want to keep their heads in the sand to do so. I can see us stumbling into a mess here and I don’t know how to stop it.

Here's the Times report

Republicans rally to Trump in race row

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the-squad-republican-voters-rally-to-trump-in-race-row-lnmz2cv2b?shareToken=0eb2fade2d9613107a2607afb39b94a9

And comment:

On the Offensive

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the-times-view-on-donald-trump-s-row-with-the-squad-on-the-offensive-0mzhpqtts?shareToken=63984dc8c33137f0006c947b86f251b4

@MadgeMidgerson sadly, I think you're right. One small ray of hope, none of the usual suspects have come on here to defend him yet, so maybe support is dropping. Although even the most rabid supporters might have to see it is indefensible.

Thank you for the links Errol.

@MaxNormal , all my US family voted Hillary (many reluctantly because she is a bit of a Marmite politician). Most are Democrats but some are registered independents.
But they have dear friends who voted Trump. In the same way that people here voted Leave. You hear the things you want to hear and don't hear the things you don't want to hear. And then the awfulness gets too obvious and you can't ignore it so you keep your head down and quietly vote a different way next time.
Be under no illusion, the four women are not mainstream Democrats. They are despised by Republican activists. What Trump seeks to do is something outrageous that makes mainstream Democrats side with them. And then, to quote Ian Paisley talking about Sinn Fein and Fianna Fáil, say that they are "pups from the same litter". So if you hate the policies of the four women, your only option is to be with me.
It's fucking hateful. I don't think enough Americans will be fooled because this is a central tenet of being American.

Yank here. The opinion piece from the Times (the second link) is spot on.

Thank you for confirming that MissConduct it was a perspective that I hadn't considered fully before.