To reject the abhorrent Trump rally with all my heart and soul

[OhYouBadBadKitten]

I rarely post here and actually I am not being unreasonable. Last night's rally in the States was truly utterly terrifying. We are no longer sleepwalking into repeating history, we are marching into it with the drums beating.

Where ever you lie on the political spectrum, we need to fight racism and reject it with all our might. We must stop the normalisation of it in the UK and we must ensure we do not see scenes like we saw in the States last night.

I'd post a BBC link, but I cannot find one on their mobile site.
www.cnn.com/2019/07/17/politics/donald-trump-greenville-rally/index.html

But Hitler was elected. This is silly talk. He isn't Hitler and doesn't want a final solution.

Says a great deal about the US if racist bullying of women is a vote winner.
Been there once. Loathed it. Won’t be going back.

It is just the normalisation of deeply racist beliefs.
Things start off slowly ... I seriously don’t believe that people voted for ‘the final solution’ it is just the fact that the opposition was slowly worked on, dissolved, legislated against and finally eliminated.

If something doesn’t happen soon to put an end to this I fear where we are going ...

This wasn't so long ago and yet it seems like a distant dream -

www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/8/25/17782572/john-mccain-barack-obama-statement-2008-video

I am a Brit in the US, I have recently become a US citizen. I feel the next election will be interesting, however he will win as there is no Democratic alternative right now. I plan on voting Libertarian.

Congratulations! It's not an easy process, as you know. Thank you for taking your duty to vote seriously.

Says a great deal about the US if racist bullying of women is a vote winner

It's not going to win him votes. It's being called "a gift to the enemy" in the right wing press. Even Trump must realize that it's a major blunder, but he can't find a way to walk it back. Just like Hilary with her "deplorables" comment..

I'm not saying Trump wants the final solution but I am saying that the fact the man is currently elected and using this race baiting to seek re-election is no type of security.
The US isn't in the same place as Germany was when it elected Hitler, I don't see the US marching in Mexico happening either.
But I do see the systematic othering of those with ethnic differences being used to wield power and that is something that did happen in Nazi Germany.

He isn't Hitler and doesn't want a final solution.

Lots of people have become OK with foreign kids in cages. I think that says a lot.

Well I hope some sensible people emerge in the US and here in the UK to lead politics back to sanity. I pray for that day. Let politics be boring again.

@OhYouBadBadKitten

YANBU.

I am not massively PC, and do get a bit tired of being scared to say this, and scared to say that... And I sometimes get sick of having to take my words out and look at them (before I speak,) in case they offend someone.

But this whole Trump vs WOC scenario is chilling. Chilling and disturbing and frightening and WEIRD as fuck. I am middle aged - 50 ish, and cannot recall seeing anything like this in my lifetime. Not in the western world/western culture anyway.

The crowd chanting 'send her back, send her back' when referring to Ilhan Omar sent shivers down my spine. I was looking for the white hoods. It was literally like some awful, barbaric, medieval shit. It's such uncomfortable viewing, and quite upsetting to watch.

I can't believe this is happening in America in 2019, and that people are supporting the man who is the driving force behind it.

Trump does not actually have a problem with immigrants or 'forriners...' he just has a massive problem with non-white people, and especially if those non-whites are FEMALE.

Seriously, I can't get my head round any of it, at ALL.

I plan on voting Libertarian.

you may as well vote for Trump because your vote will have the same effect. As dh said to me when the choice was Clinton or Trump - it is like picking Aids or Syphillis. You mightn't like either of them but you need to pick the least worst choice. Saying "no I'll have herpes instead" when there is no possibility of it is not a strategic choice.

If, he (and presumably his supporters),think it's okay to put unaccompanied kids in cages, and to fail to provide them with hygiene essentials to the point that children are dying, then I think there are parallels with Nazi Germany. Trump might not be seeking a final solution but his failure to act is wicked.

Trump does not actually have a problem with immigrants or 'forriners...' he just has a massive problem with non-white people, and especially if those non-whites are FEMALE.

Indeed. Of his 3 marriages, only one was to a US citizen (the one that barely counts). He granted green cards to Melania's eastern european parents during the first year of his presidency - while being tough on immigration. I'd love to know what they bring to the country. I doubt they've ever paid a dime of taxes here. But then he probably hasn't either.

Sometimes, bad as it is, I wish democrats had the balls to start chanting "send her back" when Melania Trump appears.

@pallisers

Sometimes, bad as it is, I wish democrats had the balls to start chanting "send her back" when Melania Trump appears.

I have family members who are Republican and I find their views completely incomprehensible and utterly toxic. It has devastated my relationship with them, and at this pointafter a period of complete separationwe can only agree to discuss the most superficial matters without getting into some very dangerous territory. My experience is that both sides believe that good things should happen and virtues should be upheld, but they ascribe virtues to themselves and the logical path to good things happening to the actions of the side they are on. So the Republicans I know think that yeah, Trump is crude, but he makes good things happen. And that Democrats are anti-American and want to destroy everything and yada yada. Needless to say, I think that is fucking bullshit. But there is no arguing with these folks. They are all in.

MissConductUS thank you! I am so glad I did it.

Durgasarrow The majority of my family are Republican, nit extreme though.

My experience is that both sides believe that good things should happen and virtues should be upheld

My experience is that republicans think good things should happen to white people and compliant/know your place black people and virtues that bolster white wealth should be upheld.

Reich nailed it - he said there is no right versus left anymore. There is the oligarchs versus the rest of us. It is happening in London with Russian oligarchs buying up property, Chinese oligarchs buying up swathes of land in the US. Trump is a wannabe oligarch as is Boris Johnson (they are like public school fags to the real oligarchs) and we are all dealing with the shit consequences.

Honestly I think this is end game, patriarchal politics. It isn't pretty but then it never was.

Well I hope some sensible people emerge in the US and here in the UK to lead politics back to sanity. I pray for that day. Let politics be boring again
Absolutely derxa. I so agree with the let politics be boring again. It used to be dead boring, yawn worthy, not worth listening to the 6 o'clock News etc. Now I'm gripped. And not in a good way. I opened a Twitter account when Trump was running for POTUS because I was so worried and wanted to get the news quickly and find out what's going on. I'm now addicted... again not in a good way. Because I'm so worried about Brexit, about the way the world is going, Trump etc.

As a poster said on another thread ... Racism has thrown off its thin robes of disguise and is strutting about in the open.
Both in the US and here.

Screamanger I'm interested when you say that many of your family are Republican but not extreme. I'm curious... Trump is extreme, very. How can they not be extreme and how can they justify voting for him? This is not a criticism, I just can't get my head round why his supporters aren't leaving him in droves because every time he reaches a new low... there's another one. The telling the three women of colour, congresswomen to go back home is unbelievable and then to allow supporters to shout it out as a slogan, despicable. And yet he still has support and amongst his cult followers it's increasing!

"Racism has thrown off its thin robes of disguise and is strutting about in the open."

This. For years, I've heard people say "oh, the word "racism" is overused. I'd call out real racism but they just label anything as racism these days". But when the US President uses the oldest racist line in the book to four US Congresswomen, we still hear "oh, that's not really racist. You people read racism into anything" .

I'm beginning to think it would be frighteningly easy to nudge a lot of people in the UK and the US over the line into supporting a "final solution" of refugees or Muslims. Having grown up with an ordinary, middle-class, educated, racist family, I think a lot of us underestimate how completely indifferent "nice" normal racists are to the deaths of people who don't look like them. It's always "well, he shouldn't have been in this country anyway and then the police wouldn't have shot him" , or "well, disasters like that are just nature's way of keeping the population down in these places", or "what's it got to do with us that the child drowned? Blame the parents, it's got nothing to do with us".

One of the signs of the last days approaching...

The leader of a people will be the worst of them. [Tirmidhi]

thirdcoffee totally agree. When that awful pic emerged of the poor dad and toddler who had died crossing the Rio Grande, twitter was flooded with people saying 'well, they shouldn't be illegally entering the US then' or 'that photo is fake'.

(they weren't illegally entering, but given that the Border Patrol has blocked ports of entry, their choices were limited)

I don't think anyone crosses a dangerous river with a toddler on their back if they can possibly avoid it. Desperation. Fleeing danger etc.

I was going to link to today's Times piece (trump feels a little bit badly about it.... maybe because 59% of Americans ...is that all? ... found the chant offensive and senior republicans such as Rubio are condemning it).

But trying to get the sharetoken link is giving me one for a different article.

Roussette

In answer to your question, they are not fans of trump, however they dislike Democrat policies more, they are strong believers in the second amendment. I guess it’s more of a case of there not being a alternative to vote for.

Ahhh thanks Screamanger lesser of two evils in their eyes I suppose

Even Piers Morgan has come out strongly and openly about it on twitter calling the rally Racist. It was heartening to see his red line emerging and hopefully that will encourage others who are scared to condemn it to do so.