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Financial thing with DM - AIBU?

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CassetteTapes · 17/07/2019 19:12

My parents divorced when I was an older teen 15 years ago. My DM was left struggling financially and convinced me to buy her council house with her when I was 20, as she was entitled to a discount. I was reluctant as I was on min wage at 20, and it felt like a huge commitment, but DM had been through a tough time and needed my help to buy it. She told me that we would sell it one day and split the proceeds, So we split half the mortgage and all council tax, bills down the middle from day one. I worked 6 days a week to cover my share of everything and still have some fun money.

At 21 I got a much better paid job with better prospects but to accept it I had to move out and rent a room from a friend (very early shiftwork job in London and I needed to be on a nightbus route). I was also starting to need my own freedom and space. My mum didn’t want me to accept the new job because of the house commitment so I agreed to carry on paying my half of mortgage and bills so as to not leave her in a pinch. I had to pay for my own room rent and bills, plus the commitments at my mums so I had very little left over. My housemate said at the time it was a bit of a weird set up (my parents divorced but it was like I, the child, paid the matrimonial support at a time I needed to get on my own two feet).

Long story short, I paid my half at my mum’s for over 5 years, by which time I was married with a baby. I had to cut my maternity leave short and we really struggled with childcare costs and had to count every bean. I felt I had to go for promotions when DC was tiny and could not afford to go P/T. I was desperate to get out of the mortgage as DH had a small inheritance for a house deposit and we wanted to use it to buy our own place but couldn’t because I was financially tied up in a house already. I was also expected to fork out half the cost of some small home improvements at my mum’s which left me struggling, but she said I was obliged as the house was ‘half mine’. I was stuck for a long time as if I ever gently suggested we sell up, DM got upset as she couldn’t afford to buy on her own.

Eventually her boyfriend moved in and bought me out of my share, he added up all my payments over the 5-ish years and added a couple of grand on top. It was half of the equity. (So say for example he bought me out for £20k but received £40k in equity) and obviously it’s gone up loads more in recent years so he is very happy indeed. I was desperate to just get out of the situation so I accepted whatever I was offered and happy to get back what I put in.

Fast forward to now and DH and I are doing fine financially, DM has just retired. She was so excited because she ‘found’ a stocks and shares ISA that she started after the divorce, she had only been chucking the odd £50 a month into it and it’s now grown to £150,000. This is on top of her work pension and state pension.

I can’t help feeling that she was putting way more into the ISA than £50 a month, to reach £150k in 15 years and that she was only able to achieve this because I was covering half of all the bills for 5 years. From the ages of 20-25 when I needed to start building my own life.

AIBU to feel a bit coerced and put out?

On the plus side I got back what I put in originally, and I am very good at budgeting now as have had to be. I may inherit DM’s half of the house etc, but who knows what will happen with regards to her care in the future etc. We don’t need the money, in one sense the graft I have had to do has stood me in good stead so I can’t complain.

On the downside, I lost out on a lot of free time and was pretty much workaholic from the age of 20-25 to keep up with the bills, had to cut short time with DC early on, which is time you never get back. And I must admit I can’t stand when DM and her DP talk about how shrewd they have been with their equity and investments when I gave up so much to facilitate their good fortune.

I don’t want money from them. But am I justified in feeling a bit uncomfortable about how it panned out?
And would you ever say anything to them or is this a touchy subject? I am not good with conflict.

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7yo7yo · 17/07/2019 19:18

I think next time they bought it up I would have to say something along the lines of
“I’m glad you feel like that because I feel robbed of my early 20s and time with my child when they’re were small because I had to support mum. I don’t like it when you discuss how “shrewd” you’ve been in front of me so please don’t.”

Travis1 · 17/07/2019 19:18

yanbu your mum manipulated you and took advantage. I really couldn’t stomach being in the same room as her if I was you. And she let her boyfriend take advantage too and that’s even worse

CassetteTapes · 17/07/2019 19:23

Thanks, I am kind of shocked that both replies so far agree with me. I have started to think my sense of responsibility to others has become warped so it is very difficult for me to see what is right and wrong. Tbh it’s only as my own children grow, and I grow as a parent that I felt it may not have been correct for a parent to lean on a child financially in that way.

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Treaclesweet · 17/07/2019 19:24

YANBU! She's got some neck your mother. I think tbh she has lied to you and manipulated you. If you do wish to spend time with her I think you would be perfectly within your rights to ask her not to mention her 'good fortune'! God I'm angry for you!

Yellowweatherwarning · 17/07/2019 19:28

Well in her dotage she can afford care can't she?
Do absolutely naff all for her ever again op.

RozHuntleysStump · 17/07/2019 19:30

Poor you. I would have to call her out on it.

pallisers · 17/07/2019 19:34

I think next time they bought it up I would have to say something along the lines of
“I’m glad you feel like that because I feel robbed of my early 20s and time with my child when they’re were small because I had to support mum. I don’t like it when you discuss how “shrewd” you’ve been in front of me so please don’t.”

please do this. Your mother treated you like a partner obliged to support her until it no longer suited her to do so. I can't believe she made you pay half the bills when you weren't even there. She was very unfair and I think your suspicions are correct - she was socking away money she could have used to pay the half of the bills you were forced to pay.

CassetteTapes · 17/07/2019 19:36

I do feel as though I need to call her out on it, but she’s the only family I have really so I am scared to cause a big blow up. I don’t want the money, I just want to go back in time and struggle a little less.

She always puts it as a great thing we did, and I benefitted by getting a lump sum when I was bought out. But I only really got a little more than I put in, and it made life tough!

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IncandescentShadow · 17/07/2019 19:38

YANBU. Your mum sounds like a bit of a user and manipulator. Lucky her buying her council house too. I would distance her a bit if I were you, and look out for further fake pleas of hardship/attempts to use you.

Do you think she would help you out if you needed it, assuming you hadn't already bought a house?

Dontsweatthelittlestuff · 17/07/2019 19:39

If she took out this investment in the early 80s then she might be telling the truth about how much she put in. Interest rates in the mid 80s were running at around 11% and depending what she invested in and the level of risk it could now be worth £150k

PompeyBez · 17/07/2019 19:40

Yanbu!! Your mum would have been making significant contributions to end up with that sum. Way more than £50 a month, and more likely to be close to the isa limits in some of those years. She's basically pocketed the money you've given for bills. Then her and the new BF have completely stitched you up with the buy out. I would definitely call her out!!

LemonSqueezy0 · 17/07/2019 19:42

No, this is clear cut manipulation and she has definitely feathered her own nest at your expense.

In a practical way, there's not really much you can do but definitely remember this moving forward, don't fall for it again.

CassetteTapes · 17/07/2019 19:42

Pallisers - DH is especially annoyed now about the bills as I was paying half the council tax and everything, he said she was most likely getting single person discount.

My father was abusive so I was trying to put everything right for her, (and him, but that’s another tale) I’ve become a fixer and a people pleaser.

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Rosielily · 17/07/2019 19:42

Who is she going to leave her house to when she dies? I assume boyfriend is now on the land register as either joint tenant or tenant in common?

bridgetreilly · 17/07/2019 19:45

Yes, I agree with pps. I wouldn't be expecting a financial payout, but I would sit down to have a conversation with your mother in which you tell her exactly what it cost you to make the contributions you did at that stage in her life, how hurt you feel to now discover that she had been in a position to make savings while you were struggling so much, and that you would be grateful if she could remember that it was your help rather than her financial shrewdness which has put her in this good position.

CassetteTapes · 17/07/2019 19:46

She took the S&S isa out in 2004. I said “Wow! I started my pension in that same year and have nowhere near that amount!” She said, “yes, it’s remarkable and I was only putting in the odd £50 when I had it to spare”.

I do not know if she would give me money if I was in need of it. Maybe. She wants to take us all on a holiday (paid by her) but this has started to feel more of a showy thing, and we don’t really feel like going.

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TheInebriati · 17/07/2019 19:47

Wow, YANBU, thats awful. I don't think your father is the only abusive parent.

IncandescentShadow · 17/07/2019 19:49

Did you have independent legal advice when you entered into the mortgage and bills payment agreement OP?

CassetteTapes · 17/07/2019 19:49

She is joint tenants with her DP. Wills were made recently and whatever happens, I have been asked not to force him to sell if she were to die first (she is older than him).

He will not tell anybody what is in his will, but he has no DC. I am not close to him so I wouldn’t expect any to go to me. Which is fine.

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Sorryisntgoodenough · 17/07/2019 19:50

he added up all my payments over the 5-ish years and added a couple of grand on top.

Awful. You should have told them to have it valued and them give you half the current value, not just what you had paid and a couple of extra grand, and if they refused insisted she sell it and split it as intended. They have definitely screwed you over. Very unfair of them both but how a mother could do that to a child, all whilst secretly saving, is beyond me.

Dontsweatthelittlestuff · 17/07/2019 19:50

By 2004 the interest rates had dropped significantly so no I don’t think she reached £150k by putting £50 a month in.

PompeyBez · 17/07/2019 19:51

Also to add, you don't just 'find' a stocks and shares isa. If she has lived in the same house all those years the ISA provider would have sent her a statement at least annually. Some also get you to sign a new ISA declaration each year. She knew exactly what she was doing!!

CassetteTapes · 17/07/2019 19:53

IncandescentShadow - No, I had no financial or legal advice at all, I was only 20 and working in a shop when we took the mortgage out, and I didn’t see the risks. I soon regretted it and now I always tell people to be very wary in entering into financial deals with family members (or anyone really).

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Alsohuman · 17/07/2019 19:55

You’ve been taken for a ride all right. I don’t understand why you allowed someone to buy your equity at a knock down rate. I wouldn’t. Having said that, what’s done is done and can’t be undone. What do you think would be achieved by bringing it up? I doubt it would make you feel better. If you can, I’d draw a line and move on. And not give her the satisfaction of paying for showy holidays with your money.

CassetteTapes · 17/07/2019 20:03

I was just desperate to get out of co-owning it with her because it was standing in the way of DH and I getting our own place, plus the payment was killing me. The only solution offered was that amount of money to buy me out and that was the highest he would go. At the time they hadn’t even been together that long and i felt like he was going to change his mind and I’d be stuck paying it forever. I just felt really obligated and stuck by the whole thing, because it’s my mum.

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