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Financial thing with DM - AIBU?

88 replies

CassetteTapes · 17/07/2019 19:12

My parents divorced when I was an older teen 15 years ago. My DM was left struggling financially and convinced me to buy her council house with her when I was 20, as she was entitled to a discount. I was reluctant as I was on min wage at 20, and it felt like a huge commitment, but DM had been through a tough time and needed my help to buy it. She told me that we would sell it one day and split the proceeds, So we split half the mortgage and all council tax, bills down the middle from day one. I worked 6 days a week to cover my share of everything and still have some fun money.

At 21 I got a much better paid job with better prospects but to accept it I had to move out and rent a room from a friend (very early shiftwork job in London and I needed to be on a nightbus route). I was also starting to need my own freedom and space. My mum didn’t want me to accept the new job because of the house commitment so I agreed to carry on paying my half of mortgage and bills so as to not leave her in a pinch. I had to pay for my own room rent and bills, plus the commitments at my mums so I had very little left over. My housemate said at the time it was a bit of a weird set up (my parents divorced but it was like I, the child, paid the matrimonial support at a time I needed to get on my own two feet).

Long story short, I paid my half at my mum’s for over 5 years, by which time I was married with a baby. I had to cut my maternity leave short and we really struggled with childcare costs and had to count every bean. I felt I had to go for promotions when DC was tiny and could not afford to go P/T. I was desperate to get out of the mortgage as DH had a small inheritance for a house deposit and we wanted to use it to buy our own place but couldn’t because I was financially tied up in a house already. I was also expected to fork out half the cost of some small home improvements at my mum’s which left me struggling, but she said I was obliged as the house was ‘half mine’. I was stuck for a long time as if I ever gently suggested we sell up, DM got upset as she couldn’t afford to buy on her own.

Eventually her boyfriend moved in and bought me out of my share, he added up all my payments over the 5-ish years and added a couple of grand on top. It was half of the equity. (So say for example he bought me out for £20k but received £40k in equity) and obviously it’s gone up loads more in recent years so he is very happy indeed. I was desperate to just get out of the situation so I accepted whatever I was offered and happy to get back what I put in.

Fast forward to now and DH and I are doing fine financially, DM has just retired. She was so excited because she ‘found’ a stocks and shares ISA that she started after the divorce, she had only been chucking the odd £50 a month into it and it’s now grown to £150,000. This is on top of her work pension and state pension.

I can’t help feeling that she was putting way more into the ISA than £50 a month, to reach £150k in 15 years and that she was only able to achieve this because I was covering half of all the bills for 5 years. From the ages of 20-25 when I needed to start building my own life.

AIBU to feel a bit coerced and put out?

On the plus side I got back what I put in originally, and I am very good at budgeting now as have had to be. I may inherit DM’s half of the house etc, but who knows what will happen with regards to her care in the future etc. We don’t need the money, in one sense the graft I have had to do has stood me in good stead so I can’t complain.

On the downside, I lost out on a lot of free time and was pretty much workaholic from the age of 20-25 to keep up with the bills, had to cut short time with DC early on, which is time you never get back. And I must admit I can’t stand when DM and her DP talk about how shrewd they have been with their equity and investments when I gave up so much to facilitate their good fortune.

I don’t want money from them. But am I justified in feeling a bit uncomfortable about how it panned out?
And would you ever say anything to them or is this a touchy subject? I am not good with conflict.

OP posts:
IamtheDevilsAvocado · 17/07/2019 20:22

I wouldn't be happy.

Your mum is telling porkies... She would have had to put in more than 50£ to reach 150k in 15 years....

So you were working flat out so she could save.... Without knowing it.... Nice...

Also she let you be exploited by her bloke... Who does this?! She should have had it valued and should have paid 50 per cent of equity.... Instead you were shafted as they know you were desperate....

At the very least, make sure your mum's will is water tight... Assuming she's leaving equity to you... I think it's possible to leave hers to you... And then he'll have to buy you out or pay you rent on her half (lawyers please correct!)

Utterly shocking behavior from them.

TheInebriati · 17/07/2019 20:27

CassetteTapes Have you heard of Fear, Obligation, Guilt, and Out of the FOG?

outofthefog.website/toolbox-1/2015/11/17/fog-fear-obligation-guilt

AnnaDine · 17/07/2019 20:30

If it’s joint tenants then the house goes to the survivor - it would need to be tenants in common for your DMs share to be potentially left to you

CallMeOnMyCell · 17/07/2019 20:46

That’s really shitty behaviour from your mum. I can’t believe she let you continue to pay knowing you had to cut your maternity leave short. I don’t think I’d forgive that.
I am honestly just shocked she asked you to do any of this!

fiorentina · 17/07/2019 20:47

I feel that your mum has taken advantage and I feel bad for you. I would have to discuss this with her and her partner who I think ripped you off.

hadthesnip2 · 17/07/2019 20:51

I am a financial advisor @Cassette Tapes & no way did she build up £150k overc15 years by putting in the odd £50. She must have been almost maxing it out every year (the ISA limit is now £20k pa but a couple of years ago it was £15k & before than £10k. In 2004 it was £6k). I have a few well off clients & not many have more than £200k on their ISA's.

As for what you should do. I never advocate falling out with family but in your case I would definitely say something when she next brings it up..........something along the lines of..."I'm glad I helped you out when you most needed it & that my money didnt go to waste..."

Outlookmainlyfair · 17/07/2019 20:59

I'm really shocked by her behaviour. I'm not surprised you are upset.

Ponoka7 · 17/07/2019 21:07

She's also a benefit cheat.

She isn't entitled to a State Pension.

Alsohuman · 17/07/2019 21:15

How do you work that one out @Ponoka7?

Sophiesdog11 · 17/07/2019 21:18

Ponoka7 - of course she is entitled to a state pension, it is not means tested in any way! As long as she has paid NI contributions she is entitled to it.

AmIRightOrAMeringue · 17/07/2019 21:26

Hi OP

Yes this is shit

You were late teens...that's too young for any sort of commitment like that especially when emotions are high.

Paying half the bills on top when you didn't live there wasnt on, when you had your own separate bills to pay, and she was very wrong to ask this

Standing by and supporting her bf when he massively profited from you was shit.

Boasting about the money is shit. She could have given you some to thank you for all the sacrifices you made. And I'm sure you didn't have an odd 50 quid to spare here or there. She should have paid you your share of the current market value of what youd have left if you sold. Woukd you be able to ask her about this and say in hindsight it seems an awful deal and you feel ripped off and see what she says?

TheCanyon · 17/07/2019 21:37

@CassetteTapes your mum did treat you awfully, manipulating you when you probably didn't know better. Did your dad pay for everything beforehand?

When my mil died, my sil was kinda forced into buying the family house (put it in fils his name too) and paid off all his debts and has paid nearly every single one of his bills the last 20 years. It sits really uncomfortably with dh and I, as hes the actual only biological child and as it stands the only inheritor (fucking makes me cringe that, my dps are my dps not my cash cow). She wants us to have this money that is NOT ours, never should be, it's hers.

CassetteTapes · 17/07/2019 21:38

I think I am going to have to bring it up somehow because it will fester inside me otherwise. I will have to think about how best to do it. I am worried that it will look as though I’m just bringing it up to be grabby now she has retired and has a few quid.

I honestly wish I had never done it! I do feel I was too young to take on the commitment. I feel it did curtail my choices, ie couldn’t go and work a summer abroad like my friends did as had this large financial commitment.

OP posts:
CallMeOnMyCell · 17/07/2019 21:46

Your mum took advantage of you and benefited financially whilst you missed out on opportunities because of your financial commitment. She was unreasonable to even ask you to do that as such a young age. I can’t even imagine asking my DD to do this or my mum asking me. I think both your parents are abusive.

EarringsandLipstick · 17/07/2019 22:07

Cassette

I'm so sorry. This is one of the most shocking things I've read. It's awful to think of your mum exploiting you in that way.

I also can see why you accepted the payment from your DM's partner. You didn't have any frame of reference for how to deal with that appropriately at the time ie asking for a true valuation and a related payment.

I think you do need to say something. How much your mother can take on board is another thing.

On a side note, I'm hugely admiring of what you were able to do at 20, how you coped with that commitment and expense. If I think of myself at 20...I thought I was amazing to pay my rent on time & afford groceries.

MandalaYogaTapestry · 17/07/2019 22:09

OP, my opinion will probably be an unpopular one, but I think you might try to think of those 5 years of your work between 20-25 as your help to your mother to set her up in her old age. If that effort was indeed that crucial in her current financial security then it's time well spent by her daughter.

She has sure spent way more time, money and effort in her youth raising you. This is your thank-you and your giving back.

IncandescentShadow · 17/07/2019 22:13

Madala children don't "owe" their parents financially. The OP's mother benefitted from being able to buy her council house and had half her bills paid (possibly fraudulently if she was getting single persons' discount on her council tax). The OP also didn't get independent legal advice, which does actually make the transaction challengeable. Now the OP has found out that her mother probably has lied to her and she has missed out on opportunities and time with her own child as a result. I wouldn't say that was money well spent at all. I'd say that was money more or less conned out of someone too young and closely involved to know better, and the OP's mother, morally, should at least apologies for it and acknowledge it.

pallisers · 17/07/2019 22:15

OP, you say she is your only family but that isn't true. You have a dh and children. It may be true that you are her only family.

I have a 22 year old and I couldn't imagine saddling him with this. She was so mean to you - and there is no way you find 150k by throwing an odd 50 pounds in. She robbed you of lots of choices you should have had.

I knew a guy who worked all through his teen years and even earlier (newpaper round at 11) so he could save for college (in the US). His mother had put away the money for him. When he went to get it at 18, she had not been saving it but had spent it. There are some awful people out there.

EarringsandLipstick · 17/07/2019 22:21

@IncandescentShadow

YY to everything you said.

@MandalaYogaTapestry

I can't believe what you've written. 'A thank you & giving back'? No way. Most parents only hope for a 'giving back', if they think of it at all, in terms of their child being happy in life. That's enough 'giving back'. 😲

MandalaYogaTapestry · 17/07/2019 22:31

Shadow and Lipstick I said my opinion would be an unpopular one but I so believe that children should feel gratitude to their parents for all they've done for them and the years they have spent raising them.

I certainly appreciate all my mum has done for me - wasn't an easy ride for her - and would not begrudge helping her when she needed it.

Each to their own.

kingsassassin · 17/07/2019 22:40

Gratitude towards parents is just nonsense. It was the parents' choice to have children and once they'd made that choice, their legal and moral duty to look after them until they could look after themselves.

Op- your mum sounds like she was only out for herself. If I were you I'd focus on my chosen family (dh and children) and leave her to her own devices.

pallisers · 17/07/2019 23:05

I certainly appreciate all my mum has done for me - wasn't an easy ride for her - and would not begrudge helping her when she needed it.

her mother didn't need it. She wanted it - there is a difference. The mother had secure council housing but decided she wanted to buy the house and made her 20 year old daughter her "partner" in doing this. It affected the OP for years and removed all sorts of choices from her - including her choice of spending time with her small babies. I understand families sticking together and helping older parents (I have done this) but I don't see how anyone thinks it was ok of the mother to make her very young adult daughter pay half her bills so she could own the house.

Username9641 · 17/07/2019 23:07

This is shocking. She has basically taken your money for herself and for her bf. What kind of mother does that?!

I think you should write everything out point by point, in sections (e.g. emotional, financial, family) first about exactly what happened as you see it, then how this has impacted you and go through it with her so you are clear with her how this has made you feel - ideally with an idea of what you want to get from the conversation but if not it gives her something to think about and gets it off your chest!

Fuming on your behalf. I've no clue how you've dealt with this for so long.

D0ckD0ck364 · 18/07/2019 00:13

Your DM could have rented out a spare room
She could have delayed the purchase of the property

When you were younger, you may not have known about all the options

In the same way, you could have stopped your contributions earlier

Life is full of choices

I would suggest, that you hold your head up high & believe that you have done your best to help. You have taken on big responsibilities

After all the support that you have provided. It would be a shame to fall out about money

In the future, the property may be used to pay for care home fees.

Take time to put your needs first

D0ckD0ck364 · 18/07/2019 00:16

Learn to say NO

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