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Financial thing with DM - AIBU?

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CassetteTapes · 17/07/2019 19:12

My parents divorced when I was an older teen 15 years ago. My DM was left struggling financially and convinced me to buy her council house with her when I was 20, as she was entitled to a discount. I was reluctant as I was on min wage at 20, and it felt like a huge commitment, but DM had been through a tough time and needed my help to buy it. She told me that we would sell it one day and split the proceeds, So we split half the mortgage and all council tax, bills down the middle from day one. I worked 6 days a week to cover my share of everything and still have some fun money.

At 21 I got a much better paid job with better prospects but to accept it I had to move out and rent a room from a friend (very early shiftwork job in London and I needed to be on a nightbus route). I was also starting to need my own freedom and space. My mum didn’t want me to accept the new job because of the house commitment so I agreed to carry on paying my half of mortgage and bills so as to not leave her in a pinch. I had to pay for my own room rent and bills, plus the commitments at my mums so I had very little left over. My housemate said at the time it was a bit of a weird set up (my parents divorced but it was like I, the child, paid the matrimonial support at a time I needed to get on my own two feet).

Long story short, I paid my half at my mum’s for over 5 years, by which time I was married with a baby. I had to cut my maternity leave short and we really struggled with childcare costs and had to count every bean. I felt I had to go for promotions when DC was tiny and could not afford to go P/T. I was desperate to get out of the mortgage as DH had a small inheritance for a house deposit and we wanted to use it to buy our own place but couldn’t because I was financially tied up in a house already. I was also expected to fork out half the cost of some small home improvements at my mum’s which left me struggling, but she said I was obliged as the house was ‘half mine’. I was stuck for a long time as if I ever gently suggested we sell up, DM got upset as she couldn’t afford to buy on her own.

Eventually her boyfriend moved in and bought me out of my share, he added up all my payments over the 5-ish years and added a couple of grand on top. It was half of the equity. (So say for example he bought me out for £20k but received £40k in equity) and obviously it’s gone up loads more in recent years so he is very happy indeed. I was desperate to just get out of the situation so I accepted whatever I was offered and happy to get back what I put in.

Fast forward to now and DH and I are doing fine financially, DM has just retired. She was so excited because she ‘found’ a stocks and shares ISA that she started after the divorce, she had only been chucking the odd £50 a month into it and it’s now grown to £150,000. This is on top of her work pension and state pension.

I can’t help feeling that she was putting way more into the ISA than £50 a month, to reach £150k in 15 years and that she was only able to achieve this because I was covering half of all the bills for 5 years. From the ages of 20-25 when I needed to start building my own life.

AIBU to feel a bit coerced and put out?

On the plus side I got back what I put in originally, and I am very good at budgeting now as have had to be. I may inherit DM’s half of the house etc, but who knows what will happen with regards to her care in the future etc. We don’t need the money, in one sense the graft I have had to do has stood me in good stead so I can’t complain.

On the downside, I lost out on a lot of free time and was pretty much workaholic from the age of 20-25 to keep up with the bills, had to cut short time with DC early on, which is time you never get back. And I must admit I can’t stand when DM and her DP talk about how shrewd they have been with their equity and investments when I gave up so much to facilitate their good fortune.

I don’t want money from them. But am I justified in feeling a bit uncomfortable about how it panned out?
And would you ever say anything to them or is this a touchy subject? I am not good with conflict.

OP posts:
CassetteTapes · 18/07/2019 17:51

I don’t think she had money in the ISA from the divorce. My dad contested the divorce and it was very expensive as a result, my childhood savings and everything were spent. She got a loan out for me for a computer for college.

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NoSquirrels · 18/07/2019 18:11

Well, if she didn't have any of the money in the divorce, and is telling the truth about that, then she is certainly lying about how much she has contributed to the ISA every month.

As a PP says, she would have to have contributed about £450 every month over 15 years to get £150,000 at 8% return/interest.
You can check the calculations here:

www.thecalculatorsite.com/finance/calculators/compoundinterestcalculator.php

So, one way or another she has lied, either about what happened in the divorce or about how much she profited off you during the years you paid the bills and mortgage on her house.

Just because your dad was abusive, doesn't automatically make her innocent. If it were me I might be questioning all the narrative I had been told about my parents' relationship.

I'm so sorry, OP. Horrible to think of, but your mum has certainly lied to you one way or another about her finances.

NoSquirrels · 18/07/2019 18:20

As to how you bring it up, I think I would be inclined to send an email, unless that would be a really weird way for you to communicate with your mum.

In writing you can be careful about how you express yourself, and leave the ball in her court about what to tell you.

So something like:

Dear mum, I have been thinking about your ISA that you took out in 2004 - I wish it wasn't bothering me, but it is. The thing is, it's such a big amount of money to suddenly come into and I am struggling to understand how you can have saved so much over the years when at the same time I had to pay the bills and the mortgage on the flat because you couldn't afford it on your own. You know how tough that made life for me, and so I can't help thinking that I don't know the whole picture.

KTheGrey · 18/07/2019 18:50

Ouch. You are not going to inherit any of that if she dies first - that's why he's made sure they are joint tenants and not tenants in common.

Find a way of expressing your anger so it is defused, but I would give them both a very wide berth. That is not the behaviour of somebody putting your interests first, and it doesn't sound like she's honest with you, either.

I would seriously consider getting in touch with your father, just for the other side of the divorce story. Flowers

D0ckD0ck364 · 18/07/2019 18:56

Even if your DM has a property, savings, ISAs, premium bonds, money under the bed

It is all her money

I would suggest you spend your time & money concentrating on your family & on your future

Mishappening · 18/07/2019 19:01

I absolutely hear what you are saying and understand your irritation; but I would like to suggest that you try and put it behind you. You "wasted" a chunk of your 20s on this and maybe it might be best not to let it overshadow any more of your life. x

Lucifer666 · 18/07/2019 20:09

😱 just wow op! Your mother is a leech and the cheekiest fucker ever! I would completely cut her out of my life and if she asked why I'd reply with "well you're set for life thanks to my blood, sweat and hard graft and still you let your bf con me financially enjoy your life and holiday" if she has a conscience (which I sincerely doubt) your words will hit her where it hurts because knowing that no one cares about you is a bitter pill to swallow and I wouldn't be surprised if her new man is conning her as well he did it to you after all from the sounds of things. Failing that enjoy your life with DH and DC and maybe see a counsellor to sort through your feelings and just cut her out or go low contact

Ahl134 · 18/07/2019 20:38

Is it possible that she had a works pension that has paid out a lump sum when she retired,and not a stocks and shares ISA? That could explain the windfall better. Was she superannuated?

IamtheDevilsAvocado · 18/07/2019 20:38

One thought?

Are you sure it is 150k she has? Or just her say so? Could it be a much lower amount 15k or 50k?

If it genuinely is 150k....ibwould be approaching her and asking for money.... She ripped you off... Misleading you into thinking she was on her uppers when she was essentially using your money to save herseld a nice nest egg...

sarah2903 · 07/08/2019 14:10

What happened?!

RunAwayWifey · 07/08/2019 15:59

I'd be writing her a letter telling her how she financially abused her own child, the impact it had on your life and I'd be going no contact and telling her to enjoy the nursing home she will end up in if she ever needs care and imagining what her grandkids look like.

But then I can be a spiteful bitch when somebody screws me over so maybe I'm not the best advisor.

I'm sorry that your mum treated you this way.

CassetteTapes · 18/08/2019 17:15

Hi all, I just realised that someone bumped this thread this month!

Well. I blew up about it a week ago, I wasn’t going to say anything until I’d thought it through but something small she said triggered me and I ended up writing a pretty angry email. I wasn’t insulting or anything, just very strong in my feelings.

She has responded with a mixture of excuses and strange comments, and also being very upset and sorry (crying and saying horrible things about herself). I’ve been feeling awful. Yesterday she transferred me a few grand but I feel awful about that as well now, like I don’t want to accept it because I look like I’ve upset her and been a money grabber. Her partner has made absolutely no comment at all and has been posting cheery FB statuses etc.

A few things she has said:

  • I will inherit the house in the end so actually it’s not so bad. I mentioned elderly care for the pair of them and she said they won’t be needing to spend money on care - I don’t know how she is so sure?
  • Her partner has done some DIY jobs in the house so I should be really grateful for that when I inherit it. Not sure what it has to do with me, they are homeowners so surely the upkeep is part of that, not some kind of favour to me? It’s only Ikea wardrobes and a deck etc, nothing structural.
  • She mentioned a few times that she was angry with me when I was the age of 20-25 as I was still in touch with my dad (I’m not now)

The rest of the time she has cried and said she can’t change the past etc, and I know she can’t.

I genuinely think that she just doesn’t ‘see’ my needs, hasn’t done for a long time. Which is quite sad really. I feel really bad but I am trying to realise that it is ok that she feels uncomfortable. And I really don’t trust her DP now.

OP posts:
lyralalala · 18/08/2019 17:54

She mentioned a few times that she was angry with me when I was the age of 20-25 as I was still in touch with my dad (I’m not now)

That's a massively telling sentence.

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