to not want to sign off my emails with preferred pronouns?

[AlphaBites]

We've had an email do the rounds today at work saying in the next few weeks all staff are expected to sign off with their preferred pronouns, to save any embarrassment for any staff.

I don't want to.

Can I fight this somehow?

Sorry i thought that cis was the vocabulary used to be clear when drawing a comparison between transwomen and women born female at birth

The terms you are looking for are women and transwomen. No cis needed.

I wouldn't be able to get myself worked up over it.
It's not affecting me to state my pronouns.
I might do an internal or if asked, but just put she/her.
If it makes someone else's life who it isn't as simple for that little bit easier, I'm all for it.

BringOnTheScience that's a bit reasonable a post for somewhere as transphobic as Mnet.

Well said.

INeedHelpToCope

Oh I think we DON'T.
Why are we shouting it by the way? Shouting you DO need to be worried isn't going to make me be.
I agree with the poster you quoted.

It's not affecting me to state my pronouns.

If your pronouns are she/her then yes it does affect you because people are biased against women.

This man used a female email signature for a week in error and couldn't believe the difference in the way he was treated:

www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/gender-inequality-man-woman-switch-names-week-martin-schneider-nicky-knacks-pay-gap-a7622201.html

@BritWifeinUSA I Love this about names
They are after all just administrative labels given to us as children to ease record-keeping. .. never thought of that before but you're absolutely right!

I like Od/Fod as per the PP's idea. Luckily this will never catch on in the next million years where I work.

ordinary Your post makes so much sense. I have always struggled with the concept of nouns and verbs etc and just thought I was a bit stupid, I never knew that was the reason why I struggled.

My pronoun is Your Majesty .

I've not rtft but this seems to be coming more and more common in workplaces. It's been suggested that we should do this at my organisation, but it's being driven by Stonewall. As a Stonewall champion, we get a lot of suggestions for what we should be doing for our LGBT staff, but there does seem to be a lot of emphasis on the T. Well meaning HR people and Equality managers are told they need to do this to demonstrate how 'inclusive' the organisation is as this will help them 'attract new talent and retain existing staff'

I read that independent article earlier. It wasn’t clear to me whether the experiment was limited to clients who were brand new and knew neither the writer or Nicole, because the writer said he was senior and more experienced. Therefore if clients actually knew them both already (or had access to their bios on a company website) possibly some of the difference in attitude was explained by them thinking they were dealing with the junior person rather than the senior?
I’m not doubting that there is bias against women - there definitely is- but I just wonder whether that was the only thing at play there.

I've worked with people who have somewhat unisex/gender neutral names (Charlie, Alex, Ashley etc.) one or 2 of whom have added a Mr., Mrs, Miss in brackets after their name. It wasn't some lofty company command - they'd been mis-gendered during an email conversation and felt that it caused the person who did it some level of embarrassment.
I get that the company is probably trying to be inclusive in some way but this seems a bit misguided. Surely an email letting people know that if they'd like to add their preferred pronouns to their sign off, they are welcome to would be a better way of doing it rather than dictating that everyone has to.

Sorry i thought that cis was the vocabulary used to be clear when drawing a comparison between transwomen and women born female at birth

The terms you are looking for are women and transwomen. No cis needed.

the terms you are looking for are woman and man.

YABVU, Everyone should be able to get an email where they feel rightly addressed due to their gender. I would be a bit offended if someone thought I was a man, when I'm a woman. Imagine how it feels for trans, especially ones who haven't yet transitioned, don't be a dick OP.

I don't normally address someone as she or them in the email addressed to that person. I would use you when talking to someone.

don't be a dick OP.

Yes, women, make sure you are all lying down neatly while we drive the bus back and forth over you a few times.

Wouldn't want to upset the men now.

Imagine how it feels for trans, especially ones who haven't yet transitioned

What do you mean by this? How are they trans if they haven't transitioned?

I’m still shocked though that anyone would fear all men on a daily basis just because some are violent. Can’t imagine how a person would function in such fear.

You are coming across as arrogant and clueless. But lucky you eh that you dont get to live your life like that.

@RosesAndRaindrops I was not shouting but emphasising ....well done for completely missing the point

I would be a bit offended if someone thought I was a man, when I'm a woman

Really? An email that mistakenly addressed you as male would be offensive to you? Why?

Everyone should be able to get an email where they feel rightly addressed due to their gender.

You seem to have misunderstood. The issue raised by the OP is whether she should be forced to state her own ‘preferred pronouns’ in an email signature, not whether she should use someone else’s if they choose to state them.

Perhaps she’s not a ‘dick’ after all (and I’d venture that she doesn’t have a dick, either )

I would be a bit offended if someone thought I was a man, when I'm a woman.

Seriously, you’d be offended? I use an abbreviation or my name that is also an abbreviation of a boy’s name (and the boy’s name has stood the test of time!) Cant day I’ve been remotely offended when I’ve answered the phone and someone has said, I thought you were a man.

Shouting, empathising, whichever it was it still comes across as oh we DO need to be scared.
No we don't.
I agree with the poster you quoted, it must be an exhausting and terrible way to live.

I don't normally address someone as she or them in the email addressed to that person. I would use you when talking to someone.

Sure, you only use he or she when you are talking about them’

BringOnTheScience Wed 10-Jul-19 22:08:18
The point of this is to normalise stating your pronouns. The more that everyone does it, the easier it becomes for those who feel that they need to do it. It costs you nothing to change your sign off to
Bring Onthe Science
she/her
Inclusion Manager
but it could make a massive difference to someone else.

Is it really so hard?

Yes. I don't need pronouns or any of the rest of that cis shit thank you.

That's the point though - you don't need pronouns, and neither do I, but some clearly do.
So it's no skin off my nose so to speak to put mine.

Crikey, all these women who have never

-got a cab at night home instead of walking
-stopped going out walking/running when the evenings got dark
-done almost subconscious risk assessments about who they sit next to on public transport
-considered if they’re going to attract unwelcome attention due to their outfit when going out-would it be easier to wear a coat?

Must have lived very different lives to me

Idk. It's useful when people have unfamiliar names. At work, if I can't guess whether it's probably a traditional boy or girl name, I use gender-neutral pronouns. There's no point googling a baby name website because of the modern trend to bestow non-traditional names eg Ryan Reynolds and Blake Lively's daughter is called James.