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To tell people it’s often worth persevering with breastfeeding

373 replies

BarberBabyBubbles · 07/07/2019 13:04

Obviously not if baby at risk or mum at risk in any way and bf not helping. Or if mum just doesn’t want to etc etc.

But for my own part, I really really struggled with bf DD1. Just the usual really - sore nipples, cluster feeding for hours, blocked ducts, she lost a normal amount of weight at first but it worried me as I was new to it.

But after about 2-3 months it was very easy and very convenient FOR ME. Yes there were benefits to the baby but my life was also a lot easier. My mum suggested I stick with it because it would be beneficial in the long term and she was right.

I feel like bf gets a bad press. I often get a lot of “sympathy” that I am still bf (I’m now bf DD2 and it is so bloody easy this time round). I do wonder if people could see the benefits after the tricky bit is over they might stick at it a bit more?

The support I know is sadly not really there but also I think it’s a shame some people stop when in the “normally difficult” period.

OP posts:
giggleshizz · 07/07/2019 21:10

But it does matter if you choose FF I er BF due to lack of information as like it or not BF is what mammals are designed to do.

What we need to understand is why so many other countries are able to achieve much higher rates of BF than the UK. Are we saying British breasts are different from say swedish ones?

That is what we need to focus on. What is going wrong in the UK with education on BF. The media and formula companies have a lot to answer to

giggleshizz · 07/07/2019 21:10

*over

LaurieMarlow · 07/07/2019 21:16

I totally agree OP. It’s a shame that the ‘curve’ of bfing isn’t well understood. Very tough for 6-8 weeks, depending, then suddenly becomes much easier.

I always feel a bit bad when mums give up around the 6 week mark as it’s about to get a lot easier.

Having said that, people’s psychologies are different and what motivates one won’t motivate another. The GP at my 6 week check told me to give up if it was getting a bit much. Because I’m stubborn, that drove me to keep going. If she’d banged on about the benefits, that might have been counter productive.

MindatWork · 07/07/2019 21:40

The problem is op, how are you to know the difference between someone who is struggling but needs (and would appreciate) encouragement to continue and someone who is actually struggling with their mental health and could really do with being told it’s ok to stop?

I was desperate to breastfeed and convinced that I would succeed, and that anyone could if they really wanted to. When I was pregnant I spent hours reading mumsnet and kellymom, getting tips on how to encourage my milk to come in, collecting colostrum, different holds, how to survive cluster feeding etc (the information is all out there if you look for it, despite claims to the contrary). I looked up my local breastfeeding support group, did nct etc.

Then dd arrived 6 weeks early and spent a week in scbu. I set my alarm and got up every 3 hours to syringe off colostrum and then pump once my milk came in, often sitting alongside her crib or looking at a picture of her. When I was able to try and feed her she couldn’t latch at all but I was told it would improve, she was just little etc.

This continued for 8 weeks and only got more painful and stressful. She was showing all the signs of tongue tie but I was told over and over again that the latch was fine, she seemed to be feeding ok (she wasn’t). It hurt so much I cried every feed. I read every breastfeeding site, tried every hold, asked every family member/friend who had breastfed for advice. I went to my nhs breastfeeding support group every week and pretty much had my own tissue box there as I inevitably ended up in floods of tears.

Every single one of them told me to persevere and it would ‘get better’.

It didn’t. I started feeling very unwell, stopped eating and became distant from my baby. I went to see my gp and ended up being referred to the mother and infant mental health service. The nurse I spoke to was the first one who said ‘you know it’s ok to stop?’ and it was like a huge weight had been lifted. I still struggled with it for a while and felt like utter shit for failing my baby (believe me I’ve read all the studies about health and emotional benefits of breastfeeding) and carried on pumping for another few weeks, but going onto formula was the best thing I did. I fell back in love with her again.

My health visitor did eventually relent and refer us to a lactation consultant when dd was 8 weeks old - who immediately confirmed she had a severe posterior tongue tie and she was amazed I’d managed to breastfeed at all Angry.

Anyway, after my huge essay, the point Im making is that I kept all my anguish and upset under wraps as I didn’t want anyone to know how much I was struggling. I prob would have presented as someone who ‘just needed a bit more encouragement’ when really I was in serious trouble.

LEELULUMPKIN · 07/07/2019 21:45

YABVU what is right for one woman is not for another. I don't give a toss that you think a woman should "persevere"

AndBreatheJustBreathe · 07/07/2019 21:46

On every single breastfeeding thread, several posters will ask “why is it your business? Why are you so interested in how other people choose to feed their babies?”

And I don’t think any single poster extolling the virtues of breastfeeding has ever answered the damn question.

Lifeover · 07/07/2019 21:48

Has mumsnet been hacked by the le leche league or something?

Yabu - don’t encourage people to keep going with something that could be damaging their mental health. Great it worked for you- not necessarily the same for most. Feed your baby how you like leave others to make the best choice for their family

underneaththeash · 07/07/2019 21:50

I completely disagree. I used to run NCAt postnatal meetings and saw many women persevering with exclusive bfing for far longer than was good for their own mental health or the health of their babies.

Bfing charities are terrible at either suggesting that women give formula temporarily or actually give up if it’s not working.

Lifeover · 07/07/2019 21:51

@AndBreatheJustBreathe no one has answered that question as they must realise the honest answer of I’m so superior to those mums bottle feeding that I have to post about it on mumsnet sounds like the crap it is

Elbbob · 07/07/2019 21:57

I tried for 4 months but she wasn't interested, she only actively bf twice in that time and the rest was hell for me trying, her screaming... then expressing ugh. I was desperate for it to work and did have a fair bit of support but unfortunately not enough support at the right time at hospital which i often wonder if that was why it failed for me.
But my LO never very interested in food and even bottle feeding was anxiety producing because she wasn't interested so maybe just her way.
She's always been healthy though and now at 17mo is slightly more interested in eating....

ffiffi8 · 07/07/2019 22:01

@BarberBabyBubbles
@Hobbes8

Thank you Thanks

I was induced at 37 weeks and NOTHING could convince her to come out Blush waters wouldn't break, ended up with a failed epidural in theatre and suction/forceps & finally an emcs Sad I'd do it all again for her in a heartbeat Smile we have lots of skin to skin, so that's helped with bonding xx

1crazyyear · 07/07/2019 22:02

@MindatWork I'm sorry you've been through all of that, and I can see your point that what is intended as reassurance might come at the worst time possible for some vulnerable mums

I guess we all have our own experiences in mind and mine was that reassurance came at the right time in my case

yellowduckbluehorse · 07/07/2019 22:03

I'd say it was sore hard for the first 10 weeks due to a very bad positioning etc at the start and he not knowing what to do. It's hard for your nipples to recover when in constant use.

What I don't understand is how people can say bottle feeding is as easy. Pick up baby, lift top, feed. How can doing a bottle in the middle of the night be that easy, surely you have to actually leave your room.

giggleshizz · 07/07/2019 22:04

@AndBreatheJustBreathe why don't you Google some scientific articles on why increasing BF rates is important on a global level. Then you might understand why some posters (not all) feel it's important to educate and raise awareness of benefits of BF. We're not all smug bitches you know. My personal interest in this area is related to my areas of interest research wise as an academic.

Until people stop getting shot down in flames Everytime they start a thread discussing BF support nothing will change.

Hobbes8 · 07/07/2019 22:09

@ffiffi8 - was this recently? It sounds like you’re still in the thick of it, bless you. My son was induced at 36+2 because he’d stopped growing. He was given formula a few hours after birth because he was at risk of hypoglycaemia. I’d been determined to breastfeed and tried so hard but he couldn’t maintain his blood sugar levels and needed regular feeding. I had a failed epidural too - they’re fun, aren’t they?!

He’ll be 8 in a few days and I can assure you we’ve fully bonded! And no one gives a shit whether he was breastfed or not.

Congratulations on your daughter and be kind to yourself x

orangesandlemon · 07/07/2019 22:09

5 months- pumping and BF. 3 bouts of mastitis. Baby losing weight. Agony on the latch and exhausted. Baby with tongue tie. I persevered for as long as I could. I wish it had gotten easier, I really do.

BertrandRussell · 07/07/2019 22:18

“And I don’t think any single poster extolling the virtues of breastfeeding has ever answered the damn question.“
I’m happy to answer it. I don’t give a fuck how people feed their babies. What I care about is choices. You freely choose to ff? Brilliant- go for it. But you say “I would have loved to bf but I couldn’t because....” not OK.

AndBreatheJustBreathe · 07/07/2019 22:22

Of course it’s ok. Who are you to say it’s not ok?

BertrandRussell · 07/07/2019 22:27

It’s not OK because choices should be properly informed ones. Otherwise they aren’t choices.

Quaffy · 07/07/2019 22:35

Depends what you mean by “can’t” breastfeed bertrand.

Maybe of those who have a difficult experience and stop, more people “could” breastfeed if they were willing to continue to be in significant pain and sacrifice their mental health in order to achieve it. I don’t think that’s fair though. Such people are entitled to say they couldn’t breastfeed, even if once you disregard their well-being it might not have been literally medically impossible.

BertrandRussell · 07/07/2019 22:38

Research from other countries suggests that only about 5%- with proper support and education- can’t bf. But not wanting to is absolutely fine. So long as it is a proper informed choice.

Kentishgal · 07/07/2019 22:41

I just think there is a bit of a misunderstanding of some people's situations - my daughter was ff because I had an emcs, womb rupture, severe blood loss and two transfusions, sepsis after birth, then by the time I got to hold her she had received quite a few bottles. I also have v inverted nipples and despite help from lots of bf experts she never latched once in two months of trying. The bf lady at hospital tried to hand express for me and couldn't get anything out despite being at it for 2.5 hrs - apparently blood loss affects milk supply. It really wasn't a case of "giving up" - I had been through enough, it simply wasn't happening and baby had to be fed somehow! Due again in a few days - will give it a go again but not going to beat myself up about it if I can't!

MindatWork · 07/07/2019 22:43

@bertrandrussell ‘with proper support’ that’s a HUGE caveat.

Have you read my earlier post about my breastfeeding experience? Would I fall in the 5%?

INeedaBiggerBoat · 07/07/2019 22:57

Honestly OP I know you mean well but saying 'just stick with it' would be immensely unhelpful to a lot of mums who are struggling. I know because at 2 months old DD just decided she suddenly hated my boobs and screamed for hours when I tried to feed her. We were forced to FF just to keep her fed.

I reached out to so many people including local breast feeding groups and they all just said 'just keep trying, just keep trying'. Oh, one told us to stop FF as she'd 'have to eat eventually' as if DH and I were going to let DD scream out of hunger for hours. My Mum also had the helpful advice of 'maybe it's because you sometimes give her a pacifier'. I pumped for a further 3 months so DD could have breastmilk even if from a bottle and it was one of the most soul destroying things I've ever done.

It got to the point where I hated DD and hated myself. A year on and I still cry about it sometimes and feel like a total failure. So please, for the love of god, don't be one of those awful people who tells struggling women to 'keep on trying'. It's one of the most unhelpful pieces of non-advice ever.

And now I'm crying again.

BertrandRussell · 07/07/2019 23:11

mindaywork- I don’t know whether you would be in the 95% or the 5% but I did say full term healthy babies- and 6 weeks early can be in the “healthy” category, but not in the “full term”category.......

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