Harry and Meghan-part 2

[BertrandRussell]

Following on from this -it was just getting interesting. Someone posted about how Meghan called herself a feminist but hadn’t earned the title. I was interested to know how you earned the title- but the thread ended.

I mean, saying she’s fake. Who the fuck would need to fake it with Prince Harry. He’s not a minger

They are keeping as much information as they can about the baby private, the photos they have released don't even show his face properly. This is fine if they are living as private citizens but not if they are wanting the status and money which comes with being royal.

They are keeping as much information as they can about the baby private, the photos they have released don't even show his face properly

What did the Cambridge’s release that they haven’t?

When did the Cambridges release photos of their babies’ faces?

I read stuff like this and I laugh tbh.

Well, iirc the Cambridge's announced information about the birth itself, things like when and where it actually happened. Their babies were seen hours after they were born rather than days.For one of the children, they were seen before the christening even though the service was private. Maybe it's not that different but the feeling is of a couple who tell the public as little as they can get away with, while at the same time wanting us to okay their very expensive house renovations.

Just to be clear, I don't believe any woman should be posing on the steps of a hospital hours after giving birth unless she wants to but there was a sense that they understand the give and take nature of the relationship with the public, whereas h and m do seem a bit take and not give in this regard.

Maybe it's not that different

Again, not that different. So when you scrutinise it they’re doing pretty much what royals do, just like the spending. So the big issue is what exactly?

H and M are new to all this bloody hell give them a chance to breath before you expect them to give.

Gah you all sound like monsters in law

i don't believe any woman should be posing on the steps of a hospital hours after giving birth unless she wants to

Well you say that, but that’s the biggest difference between her actions and Kate’s and you’re accusing her of a lack of ‘give’ so it’s hard to take the above point seriously.

“Maybe it's not that different but the feeling is of a couple who tell the public as little as they can get away with,”

And yet Harry gave a press conference expressing more emotion than I think I have ever see a Royal show And they both talked at a proper photo call with the baby 2 days later....I really find this impossible to understand.

Laurie I've already told you what was different - the keeping back of any information that they absolutely didn't have to release. Photos which are staged to purposely obscure the baby's face. Not telling people that she was even in labour until after the baby had been born, not saying where he had been born. Now none of that information is particularly important but it's an attitude which says to the public that they don't consider their lives to be any of our business, while at the same time expecting us to find them.

I don’t think the Cambridge baby’s faces were very clear in their first photos either. Stands to reason, they aren’t going to zoom right in.

The other points are really so minor, especially in the light of the point Bertrand makes above, that I can only conclude you’re post rationalising a fundamentally groundless dislike which I suspected was the case all along

IWanna-please can you say when we first saw clear pictures of the little Cambridge’s faces? Thank you.

Laurie, if she didn't want to do the hospital thing, it might have been nice to release a photo earlier. Just saying there are things they could do that would help themselves.

I'm not a royalist - I think the notion of a RF doesn't fit in a modern world but I don't have a dislike of h&m in particular. I think criticism she received for not inviting her family to her wedding was unfair, also the baby shower thing which was a gift from friends. But I do stand by my view that they deserve criticism for stressing how private they want certain aspects of their lives to be, while wanting the public to pay for them.

I the Cambridges are being cannier in their handling of the press, ie appearing to be more straightforward in giving what the public wants whilst still managing to hold back what they want. Such as being forthcoming with details and long shot photos of the babies.

The Sussexes appear to game play and toy with a sort of “will they won’t they” dramatic edge which is annoying and gets people’s backs up. Diana did this too. They would be wise to drop this cat and mouse dynamic for their own good.

“Laurie, if she didn't want to do the hospital thing, it might have been nice to release a photo earlier.“

Earlier than 2 days?? And you haven’t commented on the Harry press call.....

Laurie, if she didn't want to do the hospital thing, it might have been nice to release a photo earlier.

On what grounds?

They did something very different and it was touching. Where’s the contract that we had to see the baby hours after emerging? I don’t get that at all.

I do stand by my view that they deserve criticism for stressing how private they want certain aspects of their lives to be, while wanting the public to pay for them.

Stand away, that’s your right, but it’s utterly groundless (I.e. it’s totally in keeping with royal norms. Fine if you want to take issue with royal norms).

Bertrand I CBA to Google it, but we did see the Cambridge's children very soon after they were born. When photos were released I don't recall them being silly ones of feet or with the faces deliberately hidden.
It's true that all these things are little and not really important on their own but a number of little things build a picture of a couple who are disdainful of the public interest.
If I just didn't like them (rationally or not) I would just say so. There are celebrities who irritate me for no rational reason and I would willingly admit to that - I'm not going to pretend otherwise about H and M.

I don't have much if an opinion on the press call - might have been nice if he brought a photo

I'm not going to pretend otherwise about H and M.

To be blunt, your reasoning doesn’t bear any scrutiny. And you still haven’t addressed Bertrand’s point about the speeches to the media.

More face than this? Really?

William and Kate released the photos under the tree of George, them and the dog(?) four weeks after George was born. When Charlotte was the same-ish age they released the photos of her and George sitting on the sofa. Can't remember with Louis but it was similar timing. Pretty good photos where you can see the babies' faces, taken and released on their own terms.

It's fine that Harry and Meghan want to plough their own course when it comes to their own children, but with the timing of the cost of the renovations coming out (regardless of the ins, outs and whatever, it's the headline that's important) you'd think they or their team wouldn't outline the details about the christening in the way they have. From the 68k engagement dress days it's been clear they've been poorly advised re. PR, and with today's "Save the Planet Peeps!" post tallied with the news of their own carbon footprint -including the private jet to the baby shower- you really have to wonder who's guiding them.

The thing is as well is that they don't know what the future holds, but we are likely to see a slimmed down monarchy. Harry and Meghan's star will wane eventually, like Prince Andrew and Fergie's did, and they will have to carve out a new role for themselves. It's not out of the question that they might ultimately move towards more commercial enterprises. It's a lot easier to do that if you've not alienated people, which they are in danger of doing if they don't start getting a bit more savvy.

You can say it doesn't bear any scrutiny but I'm not the only one saying it. It's been in the papers today that it's not a good idea for h&m to make a point of stressing how private their baby's christening will be in the same week as having had very expensive work done on their house that is paid for by the same public they don't want to include in this key life event.

There is no way I would of stood on the steps with a new born baby! Ignore the fact of no new mother should have to and what her physical state would be like. There a twitter accounts and Facebook groups full of weirdos who HATE her. If you type in megxit on Twitter it’s shocking. People honestly believed she was wearing a moonbump and wanted to prove that the baby wasn’t real. People are saying the baby is a doll and if they could get near to it they would prove it. They feel she is ruining the royal family. Every little thing she does is scrutinised. There are people saying how she is too dangerous to be around the Cambridge children and she will kill them. It’s unbelievably awful. Would you honestly show your newborn baby off to a crowd of people when you don’t know if these people are in the crowds?

Kate was trained for the job. She is neutral on everything. She will one day be the Queen consort. The press now love her as she is the beautiful English princess. Meghan isn’t the English Rose people were hoping Harry would marry. I really admire Meghan, she has worked hard at her career and got a job on. a long running prime time tv show. The charities she has chosen to help and support since marriage have all benefited. If it wasn’t Meghan and Harry who were updating frogmore then it would of been another set of royals so I don’t see the problem. It was never going to be Keith and Sandra buying it and moving in.

We can not compare the children. When Prince George was born it wasn’t just a new Prince was born it was the heir to the throne. It was a huge deal. Archie will be no different to Zara. Harry did a heartwarming chat to the press when he was born and they both spoke to the press with Archie a few days later. I don’t think the Cambridge’s have ever spoken to the press about their children’s births or how they are?

Also the only reason we got to see the Cambridge’s children’s faces is because when they were stood on the steps, drones and helicopters were above taking photos. Let’s also remember that it was princess Diana who was the first royal to stand on the steps so it’s hardly a royal tradition.

I'd be advising m & h to make sure their roles are quickly defined and it be made clear what they intend to do over the next few years - working Royals or private citizens?
The Instagram post today was very bad timing. Government uses The Grid to ensure messages are timed properly - I expect the Royal comms do similar - so it looks like this wasn't posted by anyone in the loop.
I'd be astonished if there hasn't been some kind of planning as to their roles but it's all becoming very jumbled up and isn't making the most of their positives.
I think it would have been a good idea to have sent them off for a couple of years as Royal Ambasssadors. It looks like this was floated then dismissed.