Harry and Meghan-part 2

[BertrandRussell]

Following on from this -it was just getting interesting. Someone posted about how Meghan called herself a feminist but hadn’t earned the title. I was interested to know how you earned the title- but the thread ended.

I think Andrew finds it hard being the younger brother, and having so much attention on his older brother’s sons. He seems to want Beatrice and Eugenie to have a similar status. I can understand this to some degree. Dh is from an upper class family, but has no title. His Grandmother was the daughter, sister and aunt of an Earl. I did talk to her about it, and she wasn’t too bothered in old age, but it must be hard having your sibling get everything.

I am playing the world's tiniest violin for him.

I guess it boils down to personal beliefs about wealth..

I think those who think money buys happiness can’t comprehend that family issues are still stressful and unpleasant for the rich... and that money doesn’t actually make them in a better place, if they have other serious issues surrounding them.

Financial security is only one aspect for a happy life... but extreme wealth brings a lot of problems... and alienated you from any empathy around issues that any other human would’ve been offered support in.

I think it’s incredibly difficult to be one out of two siblings that is treated as insignificant, while the other is hailed as future king. More so, it’s incredibly difficult having to explain that to your own child about how they’re not as valuable as their cousin. Causes Rifts in families. Harry and William only have each other after losing a mother and having a Broken family.. so it’s more painful to cause rifts in that little bond they had...

Anyway... it’s just a scenario.. I’d hate that kind of wealth and I’d hate the attention it brings and the lack of freedom. Freedom is invaluable. Family is invaluable.

I would play a bigger violin for that.

IWannaSeeHowItEnds

Money buys freedom and choices and opportunities. Prince Andrew has been given access to the best education money can buy. His contact list is priceless - he could literally have done anything with his life.
There are plenty of families who have real problems - Prince Andrew being a bit jealous of his brother isn't a real problem imo.

Content brings happiness. Having a sibling right next to you with kids beings hailed as kings and queens while yours are just a number, would make it hard for him to be content. No matter what education his kids get. Hence unhappy.

Whereas someone else with less money but more fairness around them would find it easier to be happy. That’s what I think.

Anyway, I suspect Prince Andrew has bigger worries at the moment. Good that the RF can make stuff go away, isn’t it?

I guess it depends on what sort of person you are, whether you constantly think about what you haven't got instead of what you do have.
In the end though, he has to take the rough with the smooth. The RF is not a democratic system, it's hierarchical. Prince Andrew has accepted all the advantages that being part of this system has given him. He can't really complain about the pecking order and expect much sympathy (not from me anyway).

It is a bit odd that the Queen’s children never seem to have done anything together, isn’t it? Not since It’s a Knockout, anyway.....

I suspect Prince Andrew has bigger worries at the moment

Is this a reference to Epstein's latest arrest, Bertrand?

If so, and if it's true that they're no longer "friends", Andrew must surely be crapping himself extremely nervous over what he might come out with in any trial ...

I think the same BertrandRussell.

I guess it depends on what sort of person you are, whether you constantly think about what you haven't got instead of what you do have

How would you explain that to a 2 year old Eugenie or 5 year old Archie though?

Don’t think it’s that simple tbh.

I don't think 2 and 5 year olds are that aware and once they are, the important thing for children is to be of equal importance to their parents - I don't see it as particularly difficult to explain that some members of the family have a specific job.

All our children are having to grow up hearing that some other kids are considered more important than them on account of their family and we don't all have the cushion of unlimited wealth to console ourselves with.

Oh well I guess they can afford enough counselling sessions to get over it.

From IABU Queen -
I think those who think money buys happiness can’t comprehend that family issues are still stressful and unpleasant for the rich... and that money doesn’t actually make them in a better place, if they have other serious issues surrounding them.

Financial security is only one aspect for a happy life... but extreme wealth brings a lot of problems... and alienated you from any empathy around issues that any other human would’ve been offered support in.

: Too right, couldn't have put it better. People who resent the wealthy just because they are wealthy are mean spirited and lacking imagination.

Meghan and Harry are a delightful couple, good luck to them and their little son.

PS last 2 paras are response from from me.

Have to come out from lurking to share my theories:
H+M did want Obamas/Clooneys etc as Godparents Madge says no way you're RF not celebs and knowing the negative press etc it would bring. Big row and Madge decides not to attend due to atmosphere. H decides to keep godparents secret to show Granny they could have had Obamas and kept it from the press/plebs.
Wills is not comfortable in a room with women who pushed his mother into a disastrous marriage, the woman who broke up the marriage and the woman who has 'stolen' his brother away.
Or he's smirking cos he knows he's got 2 more photos to go til he can dump the wife at home and spend the afternoon with Rose

Pippa

No one resents the RF because they are wealthy. The objection is to how much they cost the public and how little some of them give back in return.
I think there is plenty of public empathy for true tragedies, such as losing a mother at a young age. There's less empathy for problems such as sibling rivalry because big bro is gonna be king and little bro just gets to be a multi millionaire!

Oh Pippa

They do an awful lot together and are very close as are their children, cousins etc. They understand eachother and can let their hair down in each other's company. However that's their private, family time. They do talk about it though.

I don't believe there is sibling rivalry between William and Harry, that's a construction of the media. They've always been pretty tight. Harry is jolly glad not to have to be king (hopefully for him), has said so. He likes his life.

Queen didn't go to Prince Louis Christening, nothing remarkable about her not attending Archie's. His grandparents were there.

The bespoke Dior dress was a mistake. Boring, horrendously expensive, and not a British designer.
Either Meghan has hopeless advisers, or she won’t listen. I like having a Royal family, I have a huge amount of respect for the Queen, but the younger royals need to look at the public mood, or become redundant.
I agree with the pp who commented that -sensibly- Catherine had many years to learn the system, and to gain confidence in her role. Obviously more important for her given the difference in status, but Meghan has had no time, and comes from a completely different culture, including the culture of her old job.
M and H should have waited longer before marrying.

I did laugh it was that or cry at the DM mentioning that mm was wearing a pair of £12,000 earrings that she had worn on a previous occasion. So I should bloody hope!
I'd does show that they really do live in a different world to us.

@findingmyfeet12

Why do people who dislike H&M want to see them so much?
So they can bitch about Meghan to feel better about their miserable lives.