Harry and Meghan-part 2

[BertrandRussell]

Following on from this -it was just getting interesting. Someone posted about how Meghan called herself a feminist but hadn’t earned the title. I was interested to know how you earned the title- but the thread ended.

Why is it not depressing that people are ok with their extravagant lifestyles and the concept that a family is better than others as long as it's behind closed doors?

Aside from that, what do people feel that H&M have been reluctant about? As far as I can see people have seen the wedding, seen the couple show the baby and seen christening photos.

Bertrand they are all extravagant - that is what I was saying but it is about optics/PR/call it what you will.

Anyway, personally I don't see it being an issue in a few years as I don't see many of my generation or younger being prepared to bow/curtsey to any of the Royals apart from the Queen.

Time is running out for the royals.

Let them have their privacy - it would be super easy for Harry and Meghan to walk away from it all if they wanted.

Same with all of them. They may huff and puff but no one is forcing them to stay.

Are the posters who were whinging about lack of photos happy now?

I’d bet the crown estates that they’re not, but would love to hear their justifications for that.

I'm supportive of the monarchy

But I do think there's a quid pro quo

If you are going to spend public money on renovations, etc etc then the public will expect a certain degree of pomp in return - and that means photographs and select information

Privacy can be maintained while still giving certain information out - I think the duke and duchess of Cambridge have managed this well

I am worried the Duke and duchess of Sussex might err on the side of too little information and will suffer a backlash for it

Here you go

I’m not sure what the outrage is, they were all holding bags. I think that’s de rigour for a baby shower. There were flowers. Again, expected.

For context, it was widely reported that Pippa Middleton spent 7 grand on a baby gift for George. I don’t recall her being called out for her extravagance.

I've pointed out they come across as having contempt for what people expect

And now that they’ve released some lovely photos, entirely in line with what you’d expect, are you going to revise your view?

Do people on here think the rest of the royal family are strangers to private jets or something?

Why do people who dislike H&M want to see them so much?

People expected to see a few minutes of them arriving and departing like other RF occasions They still haven't released godparent names, what on on earth do you think has changed in the last few hours.

Oh my god the nit picking (or ridiculous post rationalising more like).

All these expectations for a relatively minor royal.

Looks like the godparents didn’t want their names released. Who can blame them?

Why do people who dislike H&M want to see them so much?

All this fuss for a few minutes of seeing a rich family arrive at a private event - beyond tragic.

Another thing that’s struck me, they’ve decided he’s to be a private citizen and have not pushed for titles.

Surely if they were on the royal gravy train like many here seem to believe, they’d have pushed for the title of Prince, just like B&E got. And lobbied for working royal status.

Anne’s always getting kudos on here for refusing titles for her children (damn sensible). But no similar kudos for M & H? Well colour me surprised.

But now they’ve made his Christening and the Godparents national talking points by claiming they want it secret.

It’s just PR guff. Next week they’ll just be claiming it was a misunderstanding and releasing pics of Amal, AOC and Oprah gurning round the font

I hate to say I told you so...

Surely if they were on the royal gravy train like many here seem to believe, they’d have pushed for the title of Prince, just like B&E got. And lobbied for working royal status.

B & E’s titles were automatic as the offspring of the son of a reigning monarch. We have no idea if they’ll want him to be a working royal because there are very few opportunities for an 8 year old to work.

I can imagine them picking Amal. What a stunning choice, smart, highly accomplished. I can easily imagine her asking for anonymity, George spoke out about the negative press / online coverage earlier.

B & E’s titles were automatic as the offspring of the son of a reigning monarch

Given that the others refused I’m not sure that’s ‘automatic’ in any real sense.

The newspapers did publish stories about Andrew wanting higher profile roles for his daughters and being quite petulant about it.

Or do we only believe stories about H&M?

They certainly could have had a lesser title for him if they’d wanted to. There was an earldom that they could have used and decided not to.

Given that the others refused I’m not sure that’s ‘automatic’ in any real sense.

Who refused? Only Anne’s children have no title and that’s because they were not automatically entitled to one because Anne is female. Edward declined the title of Duke for himself because he wants to inherit the title Duke of Edinburgh currently held by his father rather than any of the Dukedoms available when he married, That’s why his children are styled as the children of an Earl.

Harry is a Duke and when his father ascends the throne the Sussex children will automatically be Princes and Princesses.

You can buy into this ‘Duke and Duchess’ of the people as much as you want, but if they really were serious they wouldn’t have taken the Sussex dukedom in the first place.

Archie or his parents can style himself as Earl of Dumbarton tomorrow if they want. Not using or or pretending not to use titles is a sop for the dumbass.

Camilla is the Princess of Wales and has been since she married Charles. She’ll automatically be Queen when HM Q Elizabeth dies even if she doesn’t use it,