Stormzy AIBU

[MissChananderlerbong]

Prepared to be told I'm being old and boring.
I enjoyed Stormzy's set, he's obviously a progressive liberal guy, and he seems like a good human.
So why the sexist lyrics?
"Finish on her face to top it off (ay)"
"If her friend is a dead ting, take one for the bredren"
"2 peng tings at the entrance" (just feels wrong calling women 'things')
If he was just another artist then fine, but he seems so principled in so many other ways. So I find this odd.

He remained very quiet in the face of his girlfriend's racist and disablist opinions being aired too. (Even when her comments would have offended women within his own family!)

Being progressive in many ways doesn't make it acceptable to be a bigot in others. Dehumanising women and girls is a current theme, which seems to show no signs of abating. He's not fucking helping that's for sure!

I’m old as I thought he was rubbish and I couldn’t understand half of what he was on about. I’m not his target audience though.

Most music is full of offensive misogynistic crap, why is Stormzy being singled out?

Using 'slut' to mean a sexually promiscuous woman is an Americanism. Its proper meaning is a messy, dirty woman - I believe it's related to 'slattern'. Some of you might remember a Kipper called Godfrey Boom-Boom or something getting into some linguistic bother over this, related to women who don't clean behind their fridges (I'm too scared to look behind mine, FWIW).

None of them are nice words, all gendered, but if you want a proper British equivalent, I'm afraid it would be 'slag'.

I agree with everything GinDaddy said.

He's male, so obviously his opinion on respect for women is the only one that matters, women's views are immaterial.

The origins of the slang ting in ‘peng ting’ actually originates from the Chinese word ‘ting’ which means pretty, not ‘things’ btw.

why is stormzy being called out
My guess is because he’s a young black rapper so an easy target to single out.

Most of us manage to get through our day to day lives without calling women “sluts.” We don’t congratulate ourselves on this - it’s basic.

Imagine being in a position of headlining events such as that and having millions of young women spending money on your music, buying tickets to see you etc. How hard would it be to just up your game?

Yet this individual is lauded as being some kind of social justice warrior. It’s astonishing really.

It’s not about holding artists to ridiculously PC standards . Just basic intelligence and common decency would be nice.

If he’s a decent and respectful person in real life, then this makes his lyrics all the more pathetic.

No he’s not the first, nor the worst, nor the last. Doesn’t make it ok. He has the power to make a difference, but he’s abusing it.

My guess is because he’s a young black rapper so an easy target to single out.

Bullshit. It's because he's using degrading and offensive language about women.

Ting may not have offensive origins, but the acts he describes and the words he uses are in no way progressive.

This is the third thread in a month making this exact point about Stormzy, but I’ve never seen a comparable thread about any other contemporary artist... 🤔

VivienneHolt if Ed Sheeran or George Ezra sang about sluts and degrading sexual acts, you would see threads like these. I haven't much idea who is "in" at the moment, but they're two high profile names I have heard of who don't degrade women to make their money.

So do most singers. Black people in the spotlight are held to ridiculously high standards that just don’t apply to white celebrities. If you can’t see that, you’re part of the problem.

He has done so much for the black community, put racism in the spotlight and even paid for some black kids to go to university.

Wonderful. Boys or girls, do we know?

Lots of peoples outward actions seem to habe zero baring in their personal believes/standards.

Theresa May goes to church on Sundays, is a woman, supposed world leader.....yet heads a party who cut disability benefits that costs lives, cut police that effects knife crime, has done nothing to lift up women.

So no I don't think this has anything yo do with being a christian or feminist or male/female, black/white.

People protesting climate change while using plastics and travelling long haul flights and eating beef (emma thompson!)

People are often hypocrites. All of us.

A young black man who does lots of positives, no I don't expect him to be immune to this.

I'm with @GinDaddy on this one.

I reckon if a female artist spoke about the female equivalent of finishing with a facial society would be shouting from the rooftops about how wonderful it was for society to be acknowledging that women enjoy sex too.

Thank goodness I can never discern what he, and all other rappers, are actually saying!! It's just a jabbering blur.

So do most singers. Black people in the spotlight are held to ridiculously high standards that just don’t apply to white celebrities. If you can’t see that, you’re part of the problem

Both chardonnay

It’s not a case of singling any artist out. More a case of, “if the cap fits, wear it”. Yes you could say the same of many artists - even female rappers such as Cardi B spring to mind. Still the fact blatant misogyny seems to be particularly fashionable these days, doesn’t really exonerate the individual artist. I like to think that, in years to come, we’ll look back on these artists and their lyrics in the same disbelief as we would regard hompohibic or racist lyrics today. It would take so little effort for these artists to initiate change, yet they don’t.

Who is stormyz?

Billie Elish’s song is currently number 2 I think in the charts. In it she talks about seducing her boyfriends dad and having ‘bruises on her knees’ for him.

What do we think about that?

Wonderful. Boys or girls, do we know?
His instagram story yesterday, was highlighting the bbc interview and newly published book by two black Oxbridge graduates.....he's a HUGE advocate for women in his community

Judge him on his actions, not blooming song words.

If he wrote the words, they are his actions.

Miley Cyrus lyrics are imo are as bad, if not worse. She's at glastonbury too.
Anyone care to shine a light on her lyrics? Regarding sex and drug abuse

If you use the word “slut”, it will offend people. Fact. All this “black artists being held to ridiculously high standards” excuse is bollocks. If it was bloody Justin Bieber or whoever, I’d think exactly the same.

Don’t even get me started on that Billie Eilish!