‘Two-child limit taking toll on family life’

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www.itv.com/news/2019-06-25/two-child-limit-taking-toll-on-family-life-study-suggests/

So the first detailed research into families effected by the 2-child policy, where tax credits are only paid for the first two children unlike in the past when it was every child, has taken place and has found that families are suffering as a direct result of this.

A lot of comments on SM seem to forget that many many working families are effected as well. Even some families with ‘above-average’ incomes used to be entitled to tax credits for a third or subsequent child.

Any thoughts on this? I have mixed feelings as to whether it will work on in the long-run or not. Of course we all know families who have carried on having babies with no thought because each child has meant another monthly tax credits sum... but then there are also the families who are going to face one unplanned pregnancy that could push them into poverty and make their other children suffer.

And we also have free and easy to access abortions in the UK.

Yes nobody should be forced to have one blah blah blah.

But it's there. And by choosing not to use appropriate contraception and then choosing not to terminate means that the person has chosen to bring a child into the world.

The blame is at their feet alone.

Yeah if you take the Pill correctly for example your chance of getting pregnant is 0.3% after a YEAR of continuous use. So only 3 out of 1000 women become pregnant from it when taken correctly.

@stayathomer - your post on Thursday at 11:37 is suspiciously like an anti-abortion concept and about children not even conceived! 🤯🤯🤯

I too have stopped at two children as we could manage a third (and I'd love a third) but the carbon footprint of children is huge and so contributed to our decision not to have a third.

I can't see it mentioned yet but some women have multiple pregnancies due to abuse and coercive control. Can't go into too much detail but I'm aware of several cases of this where I live. The women have had support and successfully appealed the two child cap.

From my experience these people are not stopping at two, I know a lot of people on benefits and know 6 families that have had their third fourth fifth since this policy came in I probably know more if I really racked my brain. None of these people smoke or go out drinking. But ime it is not stopping people. So any argument about population levels and climate change go out the window. Either way like I said many of these people will do cash in hand work on the side so are able to stretch to afford the next one.

I also am not fully against a cap I just think it's extremely low and doesn't take unplanned pregnancies into account and the clause makes it rather misogynistic and vile so I cannot agree with it for that reason. UC has already caused an increase in prostitution and I can't agree with that I'm afraid. It's very sad some of you hate your fellow women so much. Kinda reminds me why I always had more male friends than female.

Just read that the abortion rate in the UK is at a record high for last year- 200,000 abortions were carried out. The two-child limit is being cited as one of the factors for this..

And that's a bad thing?

People taking responsibility for the lives they create?

Sci fi yes women in abusive relationships are also exempt from the cap. And we all know how common that is. It's just a shame they have to prove it to government busybodies but I hope they got the money they need and deserve without much trouble.

Yes, women are still getting pregnant, I wonder if mental health issues will get worse as an abortion isn't an easy thing to go through and if it's not what you really want can destroy you mentally. All those children being deprived of loved siblings that are often crucial support systems in adulthood.

Yes, women are still getting pregnant, I wonder if mental health issues will get worse as an abortion isn't an easy thing to go through and if it's not what you really want can destroy you mentally

Yeah ok. Maybe learn how to use contraception then. And plenty of people who aren’t on benefits end up having to have an abortion because they can’t afford the third child, why should people on benefits be any different?

All those children being deprived of loved siblings that are often crucial support systems in adulthood

They’d have a sibling already if this was to be the third child?

yes I think higher numbers of women being in a situation where they need to seek an abortion they don’t really want isn’t really a good thing..

Another article has pointed out 8 million uk women live in areas where contraception and reproductive healthcare services have been cut- a lot of women are being put on waiting lists and having less options and choice of contraception.

2% fail rate, used by hundreds of thousands if not millions, that's a lot of failures. They do happen, but fuck those lower class sluts they should keep their legs shut.

From the independent- “Today, more than eight million women of reproductive age live in an area where the council has reduced funding for sexual and reproductive health services, leading to the closure of clinics and longer waiting lists. When women do manage to find a service, they may be denied the full range of contraception, including some of the most effective methods.”

I don’t think that is a good thing alongside the two-child limit :/

But if the cap took unplanned pregnancies into account what would stop many women saying the pregnancy was an unplanned one?

As others have said, there is no real reason why there are so many accidents. I know someone who was desperate to get married and have children. Got pregnant accidentally but her boyfriend didn't want to know. Met someone else and within 2 months was pregnant, again, accidentally. That one married her. They have been married 9 years and, surprise, no more accidents.

Well yes, having a job doesn't mean you arnt poor especially these days. The support should be there for those women too so they don't have to abort a wanted baby over money. So what's your point?

It's very very tragic when someone feels they have to abort. But if it's the responsible thing to do due to the potential child suffering then she is a strong selfless woman.

It's sad. But not wrong.

They don't have to abort. But it's then their responsibility to ensure that they money they have available provides the basic necessities for the child they have chosen to bring into the world.

My dog some people have one or two children then experience infertility so you can't possibly know their situation. Maybe she only wanted two children? Maybe the NHS agreed to sterilise her which they refused for me because of my age. Not a single contraception method except condoms and sterilisation is suitable for me..

Honestly you should all just stop judging other women. What the hell is wrong with some people seriously.

Nobody is judging other women. Just saying that the grown adults who have sex and create a life are the ones who should be responsible for it.

And is it true that you like to judge women who work? Do you believe that a woman's place is raising her children at home? I didn't see you answer that one.

It's disgraceful you want your fellow women put in this situation. This country can afford to support people's third child. There's no legitimate argument for this policy tbh it's all about punishing poor women for having sex. It's misogynistic and your just rather a horrible person for supporting it that's all I can say sorry. It's the opinion I hold and am struggling to see the point keep debating this with someone who is just heartless and lacks empathy for other people, particularly children.

@Ivestoppedreadingthenews fantastic post made on Thursday at 16:23.

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Third? Fourth? Fifth? What's the difference? When would it end?

fuck those lower class sluts they should keep their legs shut

Or maybe just double up on contraception given they already have 2 children and can't afford a third?

No, my mum always worked and my entire family works. I have no issue with people working that would be absurd.