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AIBU about NDN, her DD and their dog's shit?

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EssentialHummus · 24/06/2019 08:05

We live in a flat with a garden. Our access to the garden is via a side return. It's a huge garden (for London, anyway) divided into three - NDN's bit (she lives downstairs and has direct access), our bit, and then a communal bit. You wouldn't be able to distinguish one bit from another from looking at it, nothing is fenced off.

NDN is generally lovely. We moved in two years ago, she put up with our renovation work, will always offer to have our toddler if we're stuck, shares all her garden equipment and water supply with us. All great, except - she's never been good enough at picking up after her dog. Last year I went out to the garden daily and there was usually shit out there (in our bit and the back), and it was clear that a few days would pass before she picked up. This year it's a bit more important as DD is a walking toddler now. When there's shit out there, I text her. Responses range from "Oh, I'm on top of it now that I have such lovely neighbours!" to "Done x" to "We're away but will tell DD/DS to sort" etc. She's away a lot.

I'll cut to the chase - if this was me, I'd be fucking crawling under a rock with embarrassment at needing to be told to clean up after my own dog. I've had dogs; their bowel movements aren't a mystery.

This weekend DH picked up a few days' worth because he needed to mow the lawn. I texted NDN in the evening. Got a reply to say she'd text her (adult) DD. Then hysterical wailing and sobbing from downstairs for over an hour as they spoke on the phone. And a text from her DD very late at night to say that she's very very sorry she dropped the ball, she has a mood disorder that stops her doing basic things, if it's ever a problem again can we text her.

Very bluntly - this has been going on for ages now and I have no reserves of sympathy left, everything sounds like an excuse at this point.

It's not my job to text anyone before I go out to use my own garden.

I have more than a touch of "When I was your age..." with her kids (we're all of five years apart) which is colouring my response.

I think she got away with it for years because no one else used the garden. But that's not my problem, and actually I've put a lot of effort and money into making it nicer for all of us (which she's acknowledged).

AIBU? And can someone please tell me how to say "It's your fucking dog, just deal with it", but, you know, sympathetically? Because otherwise it's a choice between fencing our bit of garden (expensive, ugly) or waiting for the dog to kick it.

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GabriellaMontez · 24/06/2019 11:08

I disagree with mutha here. She has a dog but hasn't secured her garden. Who does that?

I think you need to remind her that the dog is her responsibility. It's not free to roam into your garden. She must secure her own dog.

BenWillbondsPants · 24/06/2019 11:11

Certainly not every day, possibly not even every week.

That's a massive issue then. Poor dog.

motherheroic · 24/06/2019 11:20

Fence it. Any shit she leave sin the communal area, bag it and pile it up at her back door.

motherheroic · 24/06/2019 11:21

Or her front door, whatever.

lululatetotheparty · 24/06/2019 11:22

This is a nightmare... if you can't physically put up a fence what about getting a few playpens linking them together and making an enclosure and then either the dog uses that or your daughter.... not ideal but would solve it in the short term. A friend did this in her house with triplets, she had a huge enclosure but meant she had a totally safe area...

PCohle · 24/06/2019 11:33

Can't you just sit down with the neighbour, who you seem to get on well with, and have a bit of a chat about it?

Your DD is getting to an age where she's toddling about more and putting everything in her mouth, and the dog shit situation is getting you down a bit. Having to ask them to clear up constantly is stopping you using the garden spontaneously. Could they please fence in part of the garden for the dog? It'll hopefully be less hassle for everyone and will stop your toddler playing on grass that has just been shat on.

loobyloo1234 · 24/06/2019 11:38

Do sympathise with you OP. Could you fence off just one part of the garden to make it more child friendly? Rather than do a fence the whole way down? Then you still get access to the rest of it but for one part, your DD could wander around that part as much as is needed? Without knowing how big the whole garden is, its hard to say if this is an option

stucknoue · 24/06/2019 11:39

Surely a fence is the answer then it doesn't matter, I don't pick up after my dog constantly, we just collect it periodically and compost it, I don't want to use plastic unnecessarily (we do have 1/4 acre).

SlothMama · 24/06/2019 11:41

If she and her family can't keep on top of the poo then she ought to fence off her section. You shouldn't have to keep reminding her to clean up after her dog.

WorraLiberty · 24/06/2019 11:42

Juells, I have no idea why I never thought about a pedal bin before! Shock

I've just ordered one after reading your post, so thanks Thanks

WiddlinDiddlin · 24/06/2019 11:48

I think I'd look at a solution whereby the neighbour fences HER bit off in such a way as there is a clear path (outside her fence so yeah she might lose a bit of 'her' bit) so her dog can go out without being watched, into her fenced bit... and you have access to your bit without there ever being poo on it.

Even if she picked up daily, unless she was picking up IMMEDIATELY the dog pooed theres a good chance there would be poo there - my yard has been picked twice today since 8am and there are two turds out there now, I have 5 dogs.

What you are currently actually asking for her to do is supervise the dogs every trip outside, never letting the dog have access to outside if not supervised and pick up immediately - if her dog is used to having free access to the back garden most of the day, that's not going to work and so you'd be asking her and her daughter to entirely change how they live with their dog... which will fail, asking anyone to make huge behavioural changes will generally fail.

So having them fence a bit for their dog to poo in freely is the best solution.

LetsSplashMummy · 24/06/2019 11:55

I think the texting and phoning over this will lead to really strained relations and awkwardness. I would talk face to face, try and come up with a solution together. You could suggest a bin/bags by her back door, dog being walked on lead in garden so she doesn't miss poos, low fence for her bit, recommend a dog walker if she's struggling to take it out... try and find a solution with her instead of growing more and more annoyed with each poo.

YANBU, but you might be able to handle the situation better than by text.

EssentialHummus · 24/06/2019 12:32

if her dog is used to having free access to the back garden most of the day, that's not going to worK

She doesn’t - out once or twice a day afaik.

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GraceSlicksRabbit · 24/06/2019 12:35

That’s worse- they are letting the dog out for a fixed period but not bothering their arses to supervise it or at the very least watch for it having a crap.

That said, I don’t think you’d want your toddler playing on any grass where shit had been, so it occurs to me that the problem is really that the dog uses the back garden as a toilet full stop, not that they don’t clean up. Not sure what you can do other than fence.

cakeandchampagne · 24/06/2019 12:38

You need to fence your garden, so you can enjoy it with your child.

TheSpottedZebra · 24/06/2019 12:40

Are you sure that she's happy for you to be monopolising the communal area ? She says she is, but maybe she isn't, and the not addressing the dog shit is her passive aggressive reaction?

RageAgainstTheVendingMachine · 24/06/2019 12:46

fencing it has to be the answer, sorry

EssentialHummus · 24/06/2019 13:24

Are you sure that she's happy for you to be monopolising the communal area ? She says she is, but maybe she isn't, and the not addressing the dog shit is her passive aggressive reaction?

I think so (and hand on heart I don't think we monopolise it) - we asked before we put the swing and sandpit in, and she was v enthusiastic and telling me about how they had a huge sandpit in the middle of the garden when her two were little. And the communal bit, until this year when we both (she and I) got stuck into it, was just a tangle of weeds. We always just say "Thinking of Plant X here, what do you reckon?" and the other person says "Sounds fab, do you want money towards it?" and then we crack on. Absolutely no issues.

I do think there is an underlying wealth difference that they are aware of - she regularly implies that they are hard up and I think she has come to her own conclusions about our means and our relatively young age. Which may be behind some passive aggressiveness, I guess. I don't know.

(And I'm a lawyer, btw, as she knows, which always adds a frisson of excitement to situations like this.)

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DuMondeB · 24/06/2019 14:16

Fencing in an area specifically for the dog is probably the best way forward, although you’d probably have to offer to help fund it?

Do you both access the garden through the same door or does she have a back door and you access through the side return?

(Sorry if I missed that info already, I did go back and look at the diagram!)

EssentialHummus · 24/06/2019 14:29

du honestly I'm happy to pay for that completely if she'd agree. (We have a tree at the front that is her problem to trim and she hasn't done it for years, I think because of money - this would go the same way if I wait for her).

She accesses garden down 7/8 steps from her kitchen, I go round the side.

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AryaStarkWolf · 24/06/2019 14:32

Yeah I'd put a fence up aswell tbh

Dec2019mumtobe · 24/06/2019 15:02

What about "fencing off" so to speak with pots? Line a load of pots down the side where the dog/neighbor is?

Then it isn't an eyesore, access is maintained, dog will stay in its area and it's cheaper than fencing.

You could do the other side to match but wouldn't be necessary

Cherrysoup · 24/06/2019 15:15

It's her responsibility to contain her shitting spaniel. You can ask her to fence off her bit-straight across with a gate in the side so she can get out to access the communal bit. It isn't fair or acceptable usage for her to allow her dog to use your area as a toilet, I've heard horror stories of infections/worms in eyes etc. Get pushy, OP, she's taking the piss. I fenced to stop my dogs accessing the neighbour's garden because I'm a responsible owner and considerate neighbour.

DuMondeB · 24/06/2019 15:21

I would suggest fencing off a bit round her exit then - that way she can still let the dog out to do it’s business in the way she always has, but the dog can’t get as far as your bit of the backyard.

Make sure she can easily get beyond the dog bit by adding a gate out onto the next part.
Add some pots with big frondy plants and you won’t notice the fence by next summer.

Look at small enclosed yard designs for inspiration, when people have fences or walls all the way around they can get pretty creative at disguising them.

It’ll be safer for the dog and your kid AND less stressful for the grown up daughter’s MH.

EssentialHummus · 24/06/2019 15:36

What about "fencing off" so to speak with pots? Line a load of pots down the side where the dog/neighbor is?

That’s an interesting idea. It’d take a lot of pots - it’s a 10m wide garden - but would look nicer than a fence. And more useful.

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