To think banning stuff from schools is stupid

[SparklesAndUnicorns]

I like to think I'm quite a 'progressive' parent and I like my children to express themselves how they feel most comfortable, they tend to pick and wear what they want over the weekends and I do let them ocassionally change their hair colours with semi permanent safe dyes.
I agree with school uniform but my daughters school doesn't even allow hair bows, she went in with a few braids and bows in the other day and came home with a messy ponytail in and told me the teacher had taken them out. Teacher explained it's against school rules to have more than one bow in their hair. Aibu to think rules like no nail varnish, no hair accessories and no hair dye is just ridiculous rules? How is this going to effect their learning? She is only 6 and I really don't understand the reasoning. Surely if it's a bullying thing then this is down to parenting your child to accept that everyone is different, I can't see how it's a health and safety issue like piercings would be, I do agree to remove earrings on PE days as I can understand that one, but the others seem strange to me. Would love to know others feelings and opinions on this

herculepoirot2
But equally being around at break is equally an option, especially when doing a duty is the norm some days. Just before the morning bell is also an option too. Staff are in school, students are in school and for the sake of a quick question it really doesn't hurt (then again I'm of the view that if people are so pushed on a morning doing their own basic lesson prep that they couldn't have time to answer a question from a child or colleague then they're not organised enough).

As long as nobody is expecting on demand 1-1 then some flexibility is reasonable as part of the job.

But equally being around at break is equally an option, especially when doing a duty is the norm some days. Just before the morning bell is also an option too. Staff are in school, students are in school and for the sake of a quick question it really doesn't hurt (then again I'm of the view that if people are so pushed on a morning doing their own basic lesson prep that they couldn't have time to answer a question from a child or colleague then they're not organised enough).

I know all of this. We both know that the tone on this thread has evolved from “teachers need to be available for as long is necessary and whenever is necessary”, to “teachers should be available sometimes”. And I don’t disagree with the latter, as long as people don’t take the piss.

I think it is a great thing if a teacher is willing to sacrifice a lunch or 2, to help support students if they are struggling. They are quite clearly missing something in lesson time and might just need that little extra help.

So do I. When people do great things for me, I thank them. I don’t go round berating those who don’t or can’t.

But equally being around at break is equally an option, especially when doing a duty is the norm some days. Just before the morning bell is also an option too. Staff are in school, students are in school and for the sake of a quick question it really doesn't hurt (then again I'm of the view that if people are so pushed on a morning doing their own basic lesson prep that they couldn't have time to answer a question from a child or colleague then they're not organised enough).

Plus, let’s not forget how people fall behind with lesson prep.

After a century of struggle to demand girl's get a real education isn't it sad that in 2019 some mother's are still pushing hair bows, and dyed hair, and nail varnish on their 6 year old at school, and then blame the school. How sad for this child.

herculepoirot2
Answering a few questions a week isn't the reason people get behind on lesson prep.

If someone is regularly doing their lesson 1 lesson prep at 10 to 9 (or 10 mins before their bell) then they are disorganised.

The best advice I got as a trainee is assume that something unexpected will happen on a morning. What would these regular last minuters do if a member of their form arrived early in tears because their relative had passed away? What would they do if a child needed to discuss bullying? What if a parent needed to catch them quickly because their child was in A&E last night but they've got them in on crutches and want to see if you can facilitate early leaving from class? What if a child needs to disclose abuse or neglect? What if the school network goes down or the photocopier breaks?

Because if someone is so incapable of sparing a minute for a child's question before school then they're also incapable of dealing with the above situations.

I defend teachers against having the mick taken and am totally against endless intervention culture, but it's not asking a lot for staff to be around for a quick question here and there or clarifying some homework.

God knows why I am listening now! On that note, I am out. 😂😂😂

We both know that the tone on this thread has evolved from “teachers need to be available for as long is necessary and whenever is necessary”, if you can substantiate that with a quote from someone that would be great otherwise I will disregard.
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And what about teachers who can’t do that? I have worked with teachers who are Muslim, who pray at lunch. I have worked with teachers who pump milk at lunch. I have worked with diabetic teachers who need to inject insulin at lunch. I have worked with teachers who need to leave the site at lunch to deal with things at home. Send me their timetable I will squeeze some time in

None of those things are any business of a parent (or child) who wants to know why their child can’t see a member of staff at lunch time. Never asked to know
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Have some respect. I will respectfully ask why you are still talking at me when you think I'm a bully ?

if you can substantiate that with a quote from someone that would be great otherwise I will disregard.

😂😂😂

And I will ask why you haven’t answered me? Look at your previous statements.

herculepoirot2 answer what ?

If someone is regularly doing their lesson 1 lesson prep at 10 to 9 (or 10 mins before their bell) then they are disorganised.

All the things you just said would be true, if people didn’t take the piss with teachers’ time. If I am doing my lesson prep early doors because people regularly use my time inappropriately, then that is the explanation. Not my lack of organisation.

What are you all doing that the kids are constantly badgering you for stuff at break and lunch? If I set aside 2 lunchtimes a week to be ‘available’ for the kids, there’d be a tumbleweed and lots of thumb twiddling.

Oh and I’m a last-minuter. If the photocopier broke or whatever, I’d wing it. Give me a pen and a whiteboard and it’d be fine.

bourbonbiccy

What about staff who can’t? You have stated that children are entitled to see me during my lunch break. It is my view that a person is entitled to use their break to pimp breast milk.

Help me. Who is right?

Pump

Pimping breast milk would be interesting as well.

loads of teachers do prep early doors or at break. You know cause kids turn up at different times, or the day throws up an issue that needs dealing with there and then. Or something didn't work with the last one and the approach needs changing.

Or just you were fecked at the end of a 6 period day with a department meeting tacked on to it and went home intending to plan it.

I said children are entitled to be taught and if they cant grasp something in a lesson a teacher should set time aside to help them. You stated a child was not entitled to be taught, I then respectfully drawn the conclusion you should not have been a teacher and the more you post the more it supports my original conclusion.

Help me. Who is right?
That's right rally the troops 🙄🙄🙄

A child can not grasp something in lesson and it be gone over again in lesson time. It doesn't necessarily have to be in extra time.

A child can not grasp something in lesson and it be gone over again in lesson time. It doesn't necessarily have to be in extra time.

So when would you go over it with them again ? Surely you wouldn't keep the rest of class back to keep repeating with one struggling student ?

and if they cant grasp something in a lesson a teacher should set time aside to help them

Eh? No. Kids don’t fully grasp stuff in lessons all the time. Rarely does anyone get 100% of what’s going on at all times. If a kid not getting something in a lesson was an immediate prompt to form a queue outside the classroom door at lunchtime, then teachers would never get a minute to themselves.

That’s what asking for help in the lesson is for. Or the next lesson, they’re not discrete independent units entirely disconnected from each other. Or kids have got access to the entire internet full of videos of teachers teaching stuff that they can look at. A bit of independent learning.

Creating needy kids by demanding unlimited access to teachers is not a good thing.

I said children are entitled to be taught and if they cant grasp something in a lesson a teacher should set time aside to help them.

In my lunch hour. Every time a child (our of the hundreds I teach - taught) doesn’t grasp something. You said they were entitled to this. That means all of them.

herculepoirot2 where did I state in your lunch hour ? I said I thought it was great another poster gave up her lunch hour twice a week to help struggling students

herculepoirot2 where did I state in your lunch hour ? I said I thought it was great another poster gave up her lunch hour twice a week to help struggling students

I’ll be honest with you. It’s somewhere in the thread. I cannot be fucked to find it, and you have had quite enough of my time already.

Again herculepoirot2 I said they were entitled to be taught !!
As you are back to rehashing my words so they suit you I think If going forward, we work on the basis that I am blind to any post from you where your quote me incorrectly and let's see how many I need to reply to.

noblegiraffe
Then you're not doing essential lesson prep 10 mins to go because you've got a lesson you can teach. I'm rather partial to a whiteboard and pen lesson too (mainly because I'm too lazy to stand in a queue for the photocopier).

My point was that it's not unreasonable if a child has a question that they can catch a member of staff at some point in the day. If lunch is a massive no for whatever reason there's still break and briefly before school without it being some onerous task.

I maybe get a couple of students a week catching me at the end of a lesson (that runs into break/lunch/end of the day). It means they can revise independently or complete a task they didn't get done in class or have a better understanding of the homework then that's fine. I'd rather they asked than didn't and had incomplete work or didn't get as much from the homework as they could.
I don't think being available during the day means there's an entitlement to staff time on demand for lots of extras.

Zipee
Of course people get in early doors and do prep. I just question the idea that there's no possible time for a child to reasonably come and see a teacher if they have a question or that it's a massive imposition.

bourbonbiccy

Cool.