To think banning stuff from schools is stupid

[SparklesAndUnicorns]

I like to think I'm quite a 'progressive' parent and I like my children to express themselves how they feel most comfortable, they tend to pick and wear what they want over the weekends and I do let them ocassionally change their hair colours with semi permanent safe dyes.
I agree with school uniform but my daughters school doesn't even allow hair bows, she went in with a few braids and bows in the other day and came home with a messy ponytail in and told me the teacher had taken them out. Teacher explained it's against school rules to have more than one bow in their hair. Aibu to think rules like no nail varnish, no hair accessories and no hair dye is just ridiculous rules? How is this going to effect their learning? She is only 6 and I really don't understand the reasoning. Surely if it's a bullying thing then this is down to parenting your child to accept that everyone is different, I can't see how it's a health and safety issue like piercings would be, I do agree to remove earrings on PE days as I can understand that one, but the others seem strange to me. Would love to know others feelings and opinions on this

She did. They ran out of time in the two lessons in the two week period because now, instead of accessing the staff at different times, they're all trying to do it at once.

So sharing the available teaching time as they’re meant to?

You are literally suggesting teachers should be available and the beck and call of students during their breaks, for extra teaching on assignments already briefed and prepared in class, and you are wondering why teachers are drawing some lines in the sand.

This. Is. Why.

You are literally suggesting teachers should be available and the beck and call of students during their breaks, for extra teaching on assignments already briefed and prepared in class, and you are wondering why teachers are drawing some lines in the sand

No. I'm not. I'm suggesting if you make these ridiculous sanctions you have to make adjustments for pupils.

So how about "Wednesday lunchtime you can access staff if you are on a school special". I mean it's hardly rocket science.

Are you seriously suggesting you've never come across a child who, despite listening in class, might need additional assistance on a concept they don't get?

*So how about "Wednesday lunchtime you can access staff if you are on a school special". I mean it's hardly rocket science.

Are you seriously suggesting you've never come across a child who, despite listening in class, might need additional assistance on a concept they don't get?*

No. My schools ran homework club like every other school. It was staffed by paid teachers or TAs.

If there isn’t enough time in class for students to ask for help because they are all asking for extra help, the answer is not for them all to come looking for that member of staff at lunch. Either the concept needs to be retaught, or something needs to change in the culture of the school, because the students aren’t working independently on assignments designed to be tackled alone.

If there isn’t enough time in class for students to ask for help because they are all asking for extra help, the answer is not for them all to come looking for that member of staff at lunch

On the contrary I think when students need assistance they absolutely SHOULD be looking for the member of staff.

Interestingly, both schools DD's has attended despite having teachers available at lunch/break - has as incredibly small turnover of staff.

The blazers? Meh, said before I don't give two hoots about uniform, but once there are rules, they need to be enforced, or changed in the proper manner, not argued over repeatedly.

it comes up Every Single Year Without Fail. And yet, somehow schools (or some schools, thank god there are some that aren't utter jerks about this) still think that forcing children to wear outerwear at school, in poorly air conditioned buildings, on boiling hot days, is perfectly acceptable. They are fully aware of the issue and yet choose to ignore it.

Why, Defenders of the Rules? Why?

On the contrary I think when students need assistance they absolutely SHOULD be looking for the member of staff.

Then you are part of the problem. This culture in schools is incredibly damaging. It might work in your DD’s school - I can’t comment on that - but it was a factor in staff leaving in the schools I have worked in. No respect for staff time or rest periods is a problem.

And extremely entitled. And likely as not, contributing to the culture of disrespect.

And extremely entitled - well that phrase had to be trotted out - what about snowflake has that been mentioned yet? 😂

NationalAnthem

It is entitled. What else would you call it when one group of people insist they have a right to the unpaid rest time of another group of people?

Then you are part of the problem. This culture in schools is incredibly damaging. It might work in your DD’s school - I can’t comment on that - but it was a factor in staff leaving in the schools I have worked in. No respect for staff time or rest periods is a problem

How can I be a part of the problem when it is school policy Being entitled would be expecting DD to have different treatment - on the contrary she simply is treated the same as all other students. However the school really does push the ethos they respect their pupils rather than simply expecting the pupils to blindly respect the staff - its very much a mutual relationship.

Very similar to my own schooling. I wonder whether it works better in a single-sex environment?

I do wonder whether your leaving of the education system has left you unable to accept that you might be wrong about things? Certainly the impression I've got from discussing education with you before.

Yabu

I think it's a good thing - less "competition" regarding clothes and styles, focus on learning not hair bows!

I would also be interested to know what that assignment is, and the rules for its administration given by the exam board, if relevant. Any piece of coursework I have been involved in setting needs to be completed by the student alone, with help only in defining the scope given by the teacher.

JacquesHammer

You are part of the overall problem. You are part of the reason the education system as a whole is coming apart at the seams, because you have no respect for boundaries set by anyone else, only those you wish to set yourself.

And no. Why would leaving education give me such an odd impression? That makes no sense, does it?

Are they not even a teacher? Oh dear.

I'm another with an open door policy. If a pupil needs me, I'm there. That might make me stupid, or whatever other derogatory term you might want to choose, but I didn't go into teaching to transmit information, I went into teaching to work with children.

It sounds like you are part of the problem, to be honest. Jacques sounds rational.

You are part of the overall problem. You are part of the reason the education system as a whole is coming apart at the seams, because you have no respect for boundaries set by anyone else, only those you wish to set yourself

No.....I specifically chose a school that gave us the ethos we wanted, I certainly didn't expect to get DD into a school and change things to suit us.

Why would leaving education give me such an odd impression? That makes no sense, does it?

Try reading what I wrote again.

Are they not even a teacher? Oh dear

Nope....

FWIW, I love the sound of your method of teaching - I'm so grateful we found a school that does similar for DD. Now where do you work again

JacquesHammer

And we are back at personal attacks.

Let me be clear: when someone shows me I am wrong, that’s fine. I accept it. But here I am not wrong. Teachers’ lunch breaks are legally protected. That’s all there is to it. I am happy that you are happy with your DD’s school, but the HT who has implemented a different system somewhere else isn’t wrong because of that.

Where do I work? Wales.

I am happy that you are happy with your DD’s school, but the HT who has implemented a different system somewhere else isn’t wrong because of that

The headteacher absolutely IS in the wrong when the system they have implemented excludes a proportion of pupils.

I'm loving my insidious take down of the education system though. I mean we've only been in the state system 9 months, I must be GOOD

Mamamamadness

I shan't send DD to say hello then but heartening to know there is more than one school who has staff with a lovely ethos. You become somewhat jaded reading the threads on here!

The headteacher absolutely IS in the wrong when the system they have implemented excludes a proportion of pupils.

Very possibly. But not because they are protecting their staff’s legal rights. They are correct in that.

I'm loving my insidious take down of the education system though. I mean we've only been in the state system 9 months, I must be GOOD grin

Shudder.

"Why, Defenders of the Rules? Why?"

No idea, maybe as a parent you should question it, and get other parents to as well? I've been doing this decades and never worked in a school where blazers were enforced in the heat.

Also, I'm sure there are many things on MN that are actually "Things that didn't happen".

Defending teacher breaks is important, but students should be given time to catch up with teachers for things like course work. It also depends on if the school are going to give time for reacting to feedback after initial hand in.

Shudder

Glad you've cottoned on to how ridiculous your assertions are. Quicker than last time, well DONE!

students should be given time to catch up with teachers for things like course work.

Of course - curriculum time and within the rules. Not this endless stream of one-to-ones in the teacher’s unpaid time.