To report parents for not registering the birth of a child

[Anon6356237]

Should I stay out of it or report? I'm concerned the child could fly under the radar if there are any concerns if they are not 'in the system'. Who would I report to?

For what it’s worth I think this is the right decision. I can’t see any good reason for effectively hiding a child.

I'd report it to social services if I were you OP.

Personally I have attended a Gp surgery as a guest when I wasn’t registered with any GP so can’t imagine that’s unusual
Me too, but you have to give your own drs name and address, a letter is sent to your actual dr to inform them. Plus these days almost everyone is on the spine, a huge database of everyone's medical records that the NHS accesses. It would come out that the child wasnt registered. Plus as the child gets older it's less likely to want to lie about things like its name or dob, assuming the parents are lying to the dr to bypass any scrutiny.

Paperwork and the likes is difficult enough when your name is different from your BC (I don’t use the ridiculous first name my parents gave) to your day to day things
This too, my mother changed my surname on marriage to her husband, not officially. All my school certificates are in the wrong name, my passport was in the wrong name, it caused chaos when I got married because I forgot to mention it before the actual wedding. It wasnt unheard of but it meant jumping through hoops.
Cant imagine sorting out Id now in the post 9/11 world. Nothing is taken on face value, it's all down to pieces of paper, which if you dont have or cant find copies of you could be screwed. What's to say this child finally gets to an age where this stuff is needed and cannot prove they were even born in this country?

Report.

The nicest possible thing is that they have some weird hippy belief.

At the other end of the scale this is a child is a perfect victim for abuse of any kind.

This thread made me think of the Dylan Seabridge case - the 8 year old who died of Scurvy who hadn’t been seen by medical professionals, schools etc for years.

Report it to SS not the Register Office.

FWIW the child I referred to earlier wasn't removed from his parents as they were, otherwise, a stable, loving family albeit with problems that could be solved.

If I was an a serious accident I would want emergency services to see I had children.

If god forbid the dds were in an accident I would want emergency services to be able to identify me as next of kin on their system immediately.

How one can eschew that very basic safeguard is beyond me.

Home schooling aside all my children have received due to birth registry is routine healthcare, vaccinations, eye tests, dental check ups, free nursery hours, child benefit.....awful things like that

thread on the same thing a few years ago

Yes but the hospital would have informed your gp so they know of the baby already.

The UN recognises registration as a child’s fundamental human right.

Article 7

1. The child shall be registered immediately after birth and shall have the right from birth to a name, the right to acquire a nationality and. as far as possible, the right to know and be cared for by his or her parents.

I would report this to SS. People who do this and avoid schools may well also avoid medical help for their child.

The hospital would have informed your gp so they know of the baby already

If the baby was born in a hospital or attended by an NHS midwife then it has an NHS number, yes. But we don't know if the above is true and even if it is, the nhs isn't connected to all the other services in such a way that they'd be able to flag an unregistered baby. My GP surgery decided we'd moved city when DD was a few weeks old and took her off their register, despite the fact we last moved years before DD was born. I only found out when calling to ask why she hadn't been sent a vaccination appointment. Clearly someone somewhere had made an error, but it did make it clear how easy it is to fall through the cracks.

I am wondering, since the child technically/ legally doesnt exist, do their parental rights exists.

I'm wondering if they actually are her biological or legal parents. She could have been kidnapped at a young age.

The whole Freeman on the Land thing is due to an inability to understand the copyright notice on the printed birth certificate isn't it?

No. It's because some people are stupid. And that's an end to it. It's not some alternative belief that needs to be respected from a well meaning but naive attempt to be "inclusive". It's wrong, and people who believe it are wrong, and if they still believe it after being told it's wrong then it's still wrong and they are now stupid and should not be indulged any further.

You may be able to tell I've had my share of these over the years.

Report it. If the child has never been registered they might not have had their routine injections, hospital appointments etc etc. Surely it's a safeguarding concern.

I know a girl who entered foster care who had been kept as a slave by her parents,"homeschooled", sexually, physically and emotionally abused her whole life, couldn't read or write. She was 13 when someone called social services.... She HAD a birth certificate and fell under the radar, imagine how much more likely that is without one. In my mind (and I deal with a lot of children on the edge of care/in care) there is no innocent reason for this but to enable abuse. Children are raised as dogs, bred for paedophiles (/parents to sleep with...), used as slaves. ALL the time, it's disgusting and we must do everything to reduce the chances! A child's attendance at school/Dr's etc is a huge protective factor, without it no one is seeing that child. Also, just to note, isolated children often don't know what's normal/abuse... They have nothing to compare to.

Btw take no notice of alienspring.
I can only imagine someone with a view that safeguarding a child is not your business is ignorant to the realities of child abuse. Or is happy to turn a blind eye.
Don’t be that person to ignore a child possibly suffering through neglect or abuse.
Please report.
If it is just that they have some odd hippy beliefs then at least the professionals can ensure the child’s health needs are being met and they will leave alone if the child is happy (after ensuring the parents co-operate in registering the child).
If it’s something more sinister, well you have saved a child from a life of hell.
Possible trafficking, it doesn’t bear thinking about. anything could happen to that poor little soul that no one knows about.

I can't believe there are people on this thread saying it's none of the OP's business.These people walk amongst us daily, nice to know they support the rights of a parent over those of a child.

It's parental responsibility not parental rights.

My DS was registered a few days after birth, went through the school system from nursery to sixth form, then after finishing sixth form became DH's full time carer. In the mean time he received his NI number and started a part time job from the age of 16. At 18 he claimed carers allowance and universal credit while he was a carer. So he was fully in the system and the government could keep tabs on him (probably had done in the past actually as I used to work for No 10 and they perform intrusive checks as part of the security clearance).

Anyway the point to this is now he has found a full time job, which needs security clearance at the highest levels himself. He is struggling to pass that clearance because they won't accept his part time job as evidence of employment because it was a zero hours contract. He can't prove who he was caring for with a letter from DH, because he's dead. Whilst all the official paperwork shows that he was a carer during that period, the security company performing the checks is at a bit of a loss and now wants multiple personal references from people who have known him for at least 7 years, that are not his school, family or former employer at the part time job.

If someone who has been in the system all his life is having this much difficulty, how much harder must it be for an unregistered person?

I have seen this mentioned on some natural heath groups I am a member of on facebook. My children registered but have seen a few comments saying the government will 'own' them if they are! Personally I think is nonsense but I do think most of these parents are well meaning and not trying to hide abuse. I would not report them but would talk to them and find out exact reasons why and ask how child will travel and get a passport when older.

Personally I think is nonsense but I do think most of these parents are well meaning and not trying to hide abuse.

Ia m sure that's true.

But what happens when one of these people child gets ill and they treat them naturally?

Then the child gets sicker. And the choice is to keep the child under the radar, not get proper medical care (because you are convinced that natural medicine will heal them) or getting proper medical care and the whole shit storm that comes out and the child ending up registered.

Would you bet a childs well being or even the childs life on the parent doing the right thing?

Personally I think is nonsense but I do think most of these parents are well meaning and not trying to hide abuse.

^^ well meaning does not mean not harmful.
Tbh I sort of feel that denying your child the same rights everyone else has in the county - ability to access healthcare easily, education easily, get a job, benefits if required, is abusive.

The whole Freeman on the Land thing is due to an inability to understand the copyright notice on the printed birth certificate isn't it?

No. It's because some people are stupid. And that's an end to it.

The point it is that the birth certificate says it (ie the actual form itself) is the property of the government and the dimwits have taken this to mean the government owns the person.

"I can't think of any positive reason for not registering a child's birth, but a lot of sinister ones."
This Is a true statement

Not saying it applies in this situation, but it is a sad fact that children are brought into the world and kept under the radar so sexual abuse is undiscovered.