Are we ok with our soon to be PM being involved in a domestic 'argument'?

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Enough to prompt a neighbour to call police?

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/21/police-called-to-loud-altercation-at-boris-johnsons-home

Meanwhile, in north London, I've been eavesdropping from next door on Jeremy Corbyn for several months on behalf of a certain tabloid paper. Even with a glass to the wall, all I've heard is an occasional "OM". This man isn't fit to lead a Political party, nothing of interest at all. Although everything that's happened is completely and utterly his fault, obviously.

And the idea that a woman would be granted the leeway that Johnson has in relation. to his private life is, frankly, risible.

Had I been in a position to vote for the party leader at the time no, I would not have voted for him.

That's a rather lawyerly answer. All those stories about Brown were well documented by the 2010 GE, when Brown was still leader and PM and would have continued to be had Labour won a majority.

So did you refuse to vote Labour in 2010, or were your moral qualms about a politician's rage overcome by a sense that you liked his policies and the other side would be worse?

which of boris's many achievements stand out most?

Seriously going on about who someone might or might not have voted for well over a decade ago is a distraction.
The question is whether Boris is fit to be PM in a country going through the challenges we currently have. And I find it incomprehensible that anyone could answer yes to that.

Yes, I voted Labour. I will vote labour at the next election even though I think Corbyn is a disastrous Leader and I did not vote for him. At an election, you vote for the party you want to run the country.

Seriously going on about who someone might or might not have voted for well over a decade ago is a distraction.

Are you saying you voted Labour in 2010 too? When there was evidence that their leader was a violent bully who threw things at his aides? Interesting.

Yes, I voted Labour. I will vote labour at the next election even though I think Corbyn is a disastrous Leader and I did not vote for him. At an election, you vote for the party you want to run the country.

So maybe a little less of the hypocrisy about "I do not want the leader of my party, or my country to be a person subject to violent rage", please?

“Are you saying you voted Labour in 2010 too? When there was evidence that their leader was a violent bully who threw things at his aides? Interesting.”

You seem to have failed to grasp the essentials of parliamentary democracy......

cendrillon I know what you are doing.
Yes try and discredit the people critical of who you are supporting and try and show some level of hypocrisy.
In reality you have no idea who I am or who I vote for. Or if I vote Conservative every time. But I guess you are simply hoping mud sticks, if you try and sling enough.

Actually, I am really surprised by this. His/their personal life is personal, but it does reflect on his judgement perhaps.

From the report in the Guardian I would say it's more likely that it was his partner throwing things around.

And as I said upthread, if you think a promiscuous, reckless, parasitic, lazy man with no apparent sense of a moral compass is worth defending as fit to be our PM, then knock yourself out.

Me? I feel old as suddenly a real lack of any morals, or even a public pretence of morals does not seem to matter.

When people become public figures their personal life tends to become public. They should know that will happen before they put themselves forward for office.

At one time I think a majority of Tories would have been horrified at this behaviour - although they might have turned a blind eye if it hadn't been public.

come off it- he's had multiple affairs with younger women, he pushed one into having two abortions, he has an undisclosed number of children - superinjunction- somewhere between 5-7 and people are surprised he's a bully?

hilarious.

still i suppose his many successes in office more than make up for his character.

You seem to have failed to grasp the essentials of parliamentary democracy......

You seem to have failed to grasp the essentials of not being a hypocrite.......

And as I said upthread, if you think a promiscuous, reckless, parasitic, lazy man with no apparent sense of a moral compass is worth defending as fit to be our PM, then knock yourself out.

Mind you, JFK was no saint, and maybe MLK neither. There's a bit of stones and greenhouses here.

It amazes me that so many women have found him attractive enough to sleep with.

“You seem to have failed to grasp the essentials of not being a hypocrite.....”

Nope. Wrong again. Once more, for the hard of thinking. In a parliamentary democracy, there is a difference between voting for an individual- as in the process of electing a party leader - when the personal characteristics and character flaws of the nominees is an important factor, and voting for a government, when they are not. I am sure the very many principled and decent Tories will continue to vote Conservative while holding their noses, because they sincerely believe that conservative policies are the best way forward for the country- despite being appalled at the behaviour their leader. As they should.

I feel old as suddenly a real lack of any morals, or even a public pretence of morals does not seem to matter

I'd suggest it's actually even worse than that ... imply nowadays that reasonable morals might be considered a sine qua non, and sooner or later someone will be along to accuse you of judging

I am sure the very many principled and decent Tories will continue to vote Conservative while holding their noses, because they sincerely believe that conservative policies are the best way forward for the country- despite being appalled at the behaviour their leader. As they should.

Agreed - thank you for making that explicit. The tone of many other posts is that if you vote Conservative after this then you must be a monster.

Yes- standing up for any sort of principled behaviour is “virtue signalling”.

“Agreed - thank you for making that explicit. The tone of many other posts is that if you vote Conservative after this then you must be a monster.”

Bollocks. The only person suggesting anything along those lines is you. Or otherwise why did you try your pathetic little “gotchas” about Gordon Brown?

The problem is the many Tories who will be happily voting for the party led by Johnson, and openly supporting his morally bankrupt stance. They are the ones dragging the country into the gutter. Not the ones who take a principled stand on policy.

What does a 31 year old woman see in Boris Johnson who's in his mid 50s? Oh I would. I think he's looking pretty suave recently,hair cut, svelte,less buffoonish PLUS you'd have Sunday dinner round at his dad's!

Anyway, I cannot believe no one on here has ever had a screaming row before, dh and I have been together 30 years and we have a bicker about once every 5 years these days but we have had a couple of proper humdingers years ago which I bet sounded 10x worse than either of us meant (and no DV whatsoever.)

I'd want to listen to the recording before making any kind of judgement. Can you listen to it anywhere yet?

Bollocks. The only person suggesting anything along those lines is you. Or otherwise why did you try your pathetic little “gotchas” about Gordon Brown?

I tried my "gotchas" (otherwise known as pertinent analogies drawn from recent political history) to get you to either admit to being a hypocrite, or concede that voting for Boris in a GE is just as morally acceptable as voting for Brown was in 2010. And that's exactly what you did!