Are we ok with our soon to be PM being involved in a domestic 'argument'?

[Totur]

Enough to prompt a neighbour to call police?

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/21/police-called-to-loud-altercation-at-boris-johnsons-home

Btw - a woman being the assailant and being the victim sound different......

Nowhere in the Guardian story does it state that Boris has committed DV.

Have I?

Come on then Totur - do you think that Boris committed DV?

Do you?

So mumsnet members never have shouting matches in their own homes

I have been with dh almost 15 years. We have had arguments. We have never had a screaming match with banging and crashing and throwing things, not have we ever shouted at the other to "get out of the house" or "get off me".
The police have never been called to our home.
Remember also that Boris and his gf have not even been together that long - they should be in the easy stage of the relationship!

Honestly, if that sort of screaming match is normal to you, you are in (at best) a very toxic relationship. It may/may not be DV but it is NOT normal!

Yes I agree that kind of screaming match is not normal.
DP once in the supermarket heard a then Cabinet member's wife say in a very quiet voice with a gritted through teeth voice, "What do you mean you can't come." Strangely enough I did not call the police even though it was an MP whose politics I hated. Because that type of argument is normal.

And I agree that I can not for one second imagine this happening with Theresa May.
If anyone really thinks this is normal and is not just saying it to defend their favoured political candidate, then please please read up about toxic relationships and healthy relationships - perhaps Lundy Bancroft's book, Why Does He Do That. Because it really is not normal.

the Guardian holds a recording where it was clear Boris' girlfriend was assaulting him with plates

Does it? All I've seen so far is their report about "a loud altercation" ... unless you know otherwise?

Won't be shut down if I have anything to do with it

Given that the reference was to media coverage, I'd love to know what kind of powers you have to do that?

I've never voted Tory in my life nor do I intend to, but I'm just wondering, if you're a Tory voter and Boris becomes leader, after hearing this, will you still support them?

If this is not a smear campaign, why did the neighbour decide to go public?

Maybe they'd heard this too often, maybe they didn't want it all being swept under the carpet, who knows. The point is that when they've provided a recording, it's not just smear. And, after all, there isn't really any need to start smear campaigns against Johnson, he's got so many horrendous actions against his record already.

Doesn’t “smear campaign” suggest that it isn’t true? This may be politically motivated, calculated and intended to undermine- but there is no suggestion that the incident did not take place, surely?

What are the odds his neighbours are Lib Dems or summat?

Do you?

Oh how lame. Why can’t you answer the question put to you? Answer: because there’s no evidence that any DV has been committed and you know it.

You can see from those arguing that this is no big deal that there is a lot of minimising going on. This will continue. There is a big attempt to rewrite history with Boris. All the talk about what a great Mayor he has been.
In reality the guy shows every sign of being a sociopath. Promiscuous, reckless, parasitic, lazy, cares only about himself, no sign of any moral compass. But he will be elected, and new stories of his utter lack of morality will continue to surface, and continue to be minimised.

I've never voted Tory in my life nor do I intend to, but I'm just wondering, if you're a Tory voter and Boris becomes leader, after hearing this, will you still support them?

Not a Tory voter but yes I would. One shouting match in private with one’s partner has no bearing whatsoever on whether they’d be a good leader of the country or not. Churchill was a big drinker and pretty volatile by all accounts. And then there’s this: www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/2009/apr/24/gordon-brown-angry

I don’t think he was a good PM actually, but many do and still voted for him in 2010.

Also in terms of comments here -

1. If a political candidate behaves badly, someone revealing that to the press is not a smear campaign. Yes going to the press might be politically motivated, that is the consequence of being in the public eye. Which is why most high profile politicians try and ensure their behaviour in public is impeccable.
2. Who cares if she is in pr. Being in pr does not stop your partner shouting and screaming at you so loudly a neighbour calls the police.
3. If screaming and shouts can be heard outside and by your neighbours, that is not a normal argument.

But I do wonder just how much evidence some people need to accept this man has an utter lack of morality?

But I do wonder just how much evidence some people need to accept this man has an utter lack of morality?

Just because he has fathered kids by different women, had affairs, had a blazing row with his partner etc does not mean he has committed DV. His ex wife was with him for 25 years wasn’t she? I wonder if she will have anything to say about this.

@Dongdingdong Trying the Gordon Brown thing again?
God loves a trier.

Trying the Gordon Brown thing again?

Um, yes, because it’s very relevant to the point I was making to Totur?

Or does bad behaviour by a Labour politician not count

Nah- you’re just trying to convince people that this is only being seen as a problem because Johnson is a Tory.

This really isn't going to matter. There's already enough in the public domain about Boris and his erm, temperament, to sink his chances, but it hasn't. The reason why this incident is a big story this weekend is because of the proximity to the Mark Field incident earlier this week. It's not Boris per se, because in his personal context it's not particularly unexpected and doesn't change anything.

Nah- you’re just trying to convince people that this is only being seen as a problem because Johnson is a Tory.

What a load of rubbish. I’m sure if a potential Labour PM was in this position he/she would have had exactly the same media coverage and reaction. What I’m saying is that Boris isn’t the only MP/potential PM with a fiery temper who may or may not have thrown things when in a rage.

Mountain meet molehill.

Given the way that Johnson speaks to everyone, I've no doubt that he gaslights his partners. Imagine if this was a non political figure, just a normal couple, and one partner posted that their partner repeatedly lied to them, and if they tried to point out the truth, they were laughed and at derided. Repeatedly, day in day out. That's emotional abuse.

That’s true Baggy, but again it’s pure conjecture to say that that’s the dynamic between Boris and his girlfriend.