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Man-handling climate change protestors

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Leafyhouse · 20/06/2019 23:17

Anyone else watch with horror as a climate change protestor was forcefully removed by Mark Field from the Mansion House speech? I mean, I'm no fan of political activism, 'direct action' and so on, but she wasn't presenting him with any direct threat, just shouting and being annoying. AIBU to think that his behaviour was totally unacceptable there?

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JustAnotherPoster00 · 21/06/2019 13:42

Those of you who agree with what he did because of trespassing,

How about if his wife reversed the car and clipped a wall? His reaction acceptable then?

How about if a husband and wife argued about money? His reaction acceptable then?

Please explain when its ok for a man to assault a woman, or is it only for trespassing that assault is justified.

FiddlesticksAkimbo · 21/06/2019 13:44

Just to clarify, by definition, an assault against a woman can never be justified. However, the use of force against a woman can.

smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 21/06/2019 13:45

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FiddlesticksAkimbo · 21/06/2019 13:45

Please explain when its ok for a man to assault a woman, or is it only for trespassing that assault is justified.

Trespass, self-defence, citizens' arrests spring to mind. The law allows the use of force in various situations. Not bad parking to be fair.

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CruCru · 21/06/2019 13:52

Looks like he’s been suspended.

FiddlesticksAkimbo · 21/06/2019 13:53

And issued a grovelling apology

mummmy2017 · 21/06/2019 13:54

Her words .. he panicked...
Her admitting this happened because he had no idea what her motives were...
Also she tried to get passed when he stopped her, also tried a second time to carry on.... You can see her do it...
The back of neck and hand on arm and fast walking her away, looks like a learn security exercise, after the female MP who died wad there not training give to help MPs protect themselves from this situation?

smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 21/06/2019 13:56

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Manclife1 · 21/06/2019 13:56

For those saying nobody else stepped in there’s an extended version available that show they did, lots and tried just standing in front of the protesters as people said he should’ve done and they pushed passed.

Clutterbugsmum · 21/06/2019 13:58

For love of god he DID NOT GRAB THIS WOMAN around the throat/neck. He had his hands on the back of head to control her out the room, because she had no intention of leaving quietly.

Just because they were women doesn't mean they get to do what they want, the law the same for them as men.

If they wanted to have a peaceful demonstration then they should have stayed outside and not noisily a private function.

smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 21/06/2019 13:58

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PinkieTuscadero · 21/06/2019 14:02

For love of god he DID NOT GRAB THIS WOMAN around the throat/neck.

Next level gaslighting.

We have all seen the video. He grabs her by the neck.

FiddlesticksAkimbo · 21/06/2019 14:05

Is the suggestion now that the protesters assaulted people?

Interesting! Although irrelevant - they were trespassers. Even if they just wanted to sit quietly at the back and listen politely to the right honourable chancellor of the exchequer, if they weren't welcome and wouldn't leave they can be chucked out!

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mummmy2017 · 21/06/2019 14:06

Just rewatched it.
He puts his hand out and pushed her to the wall, hand on chest, but not boobs .
She moved to carry on he pushes her again, while getting out of his chair.
Then she squirms and he pushes her should, then he has hand at the nape of her neck and hand on arm... Fast walk...
At no point does he have a hand on her throat....

minou123 · 21/06/2019 14:06

To me, the crux of the matter is what is reasonable force and did he use reasonable force
Some people think he did, others think it was unreasonable.

For me, and this is only my opinion, reasonable force does not entail grabbing someone by the back of the neck. In this situation, he was fully aware these women were protesters.

I think the whole "self defence" "she may have had a knife" came after the event, and an excuse for his actions. If he truly thought she would physically harm someone, he would have restrained her arms/hands.

PinkieTuscadero · 21/06/2019 14:07

He grabs her by the neck. Well spotted.

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JustAnotherPoster00 · 21/06/2019 14:09

Does it matter if he grabbed her by the neck? It seemed like a good place to grab her by!

Thats fucking disgusting and reported

FiddlesticksAkimbo · 21/06/2019 14:12

No one is suggesting that they shouldnt be escorted out. It is the assault that is the issue.
I think it's whether there was an assault that is the issue.

Christ alive
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Twyler · 21/06/2019 14:13

To Justanotherposter, it was reasonable force NOT assault in my opinion. As for the cause if it was merely tresspassing say for example if she had just stood by the pillar and shouted slogans, unfurled a banner or similar then he would have been out of order. However as I said before she was clearly intent on reaching Hammond with who knows what intent and had to be stopped before she reached him.

Once outside when the immediate apparent threat had been neutralised her motive could then have been established.

smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 21/06/2019 14:14

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mummmy2017 · 21/06/2019 14:16

But this was not an unprovoked assult on an innocent bystander was it.....
Stop pretending she was innocent...