How likely is it that all of Gove’s supporters now back Hunt?

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And we don’t have to have Boris as PM?

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The threshold at which people start paying higher rate tax is around 40k which is not exactly fat cat territory.
But I wouldn’t worry. He’s more or less rowed back from that position already. I doubt it will happen

Nazanin Zagari-Ratcliffe’s husband in his tent and not eating, having to listen to Boris blithely day that he did nothing wrong was appalling and shameful.

Absolutely. What a disgrace. Ok, so Johnson is well educated, savvy, not-an-idiot, blah blah blah. He managed to make that poor woman's situation worse through his careless, ill thought-out remarks. He also recited offensive poetry on diplomatic visits. A man like this could absolutely manage to wreck the country because he can't be arsed to put in the work to prepare himself adequately for the position.

Jeremy Hunt is vile and was a dreadful Health secretary but at least I think he'd prepare himself properly for the job. Corbyn is an idiot and I've been praying for him to resign for years but I'd still rather see him as PM than either of them.

Boris will be a low tax advocate when that suits his purposes. And he’ll advocate higher taxes if that suits him the very next day.
This is the problem. It’s not that he’s right wing. It’s that he’s nothing, a vacuum of opportunism. It flatters him to say he’s pushing low tax low regulation. He doesn’t even understand properly what that is or why it might be bad or good.

This is the problem. It’s not that he’s right wing. It’s that he’s nothing, a vacuum of opportunism.

I agree. Boris doesn't have any true beliefs. He'll say anything to gain power. I think this is his main similarity to Trump.

I’m actually quite pleased about the prospect of Boris being PM.... If he reneges in his promise to get us out of the EU by 31st October be booted out by the ERG as they defect to the Brexit Party, and we’ll have a General Election that he’ll definitely lose. If he tries to take us out by 31st October, it will need to be a no-deal Brexit, and the MPs from the other wing of Tories will vote down the Government and we’ll have a GE, that he’ll probably lose.... In which case BJ will be likely be the shortest lived PM in recent history, and by Christmas he’ll be history, forever!

Boris will be pm and he'll be bringing Farage into his fold within a month. God.

Talk about fucking rock and a hard place. Though marginally I feel Johnson is Charybdis and best avoided though hunts Scylla will more than likely sacrifice yet more sick and disabled.

Johnson is dangerous precisely because he's NOT stupid and because it's impossible to know what he really believes in (beyond accumulating wealth) as he changes his stance so frequently. One ironic example being his criticism of Browns ascension to PM without a GE.

Seriously we need a GE urgently.

Complete fucking disaster and those to blame mostly not to be bloody seen!

As a Scot who voted no I can absolutely see this leading to Scotland leaving U.K. Which greatly saddens me in some ways but gives some relief in others given what's happening in Westminster.

And I don't think Northern Ireland will be far behind.

I'm really genuinely hoping we don't get another hot summer as I think that would be the last straw that would see Britain set itself alight in the lead up to a no deal brexit.

"All of that said I am clear either is a better choice than Corbyn." I genuinely do not understand that belief. Whenever I have queried that on here I've only ever got "terrorist sympathiser" "anti Semitic" nonsense responses.

Corbyn worse than Johnson?? Really????

"Yep, two egomaniac psychopaths versus man who actually gives a shit about those who are poor and struggling." Exactly!

"who would pay out 125k for a title they only have 50% chance of getting?" Someone for whom £125k is but a drop in the ocean for their personal finances but which with such a position they can easily benefit greatly and ensure those they care about benefit too.

Hunt is more likely to be seen as "the lesser of two evils" by centre/centre right voters if up against Corbyn I think.

Agreed... Brexit aside - where I’ll probably vote LibDem should there be an election - in a typical Tory vs Labour fight, i’d vote for Hunt if Corbyn was the opponent. Boris vs Corbyn... I’d be back to LibDems or someone else.

There are plenty of Jewish people in this country who don’t think the anti semitism thing is “nonsense”. This boils my puss actually. They seem to be the one minority community whose complaints and perceptions it’s ok to ignore.
I wonder why? Well ok, I don’t wonder. I know all too well.

Poor puss. I meant puss. Anyway.

Fucks sake piss!!

There are also plenty of Jewish people who do think it's nonsense because the Labour Party is no worse than the tories.

I wasn't meaning that there weren't anti semitism issues but that using that as a reason to be anti Labour/Corbyn is nonsense because the tories have a long history of extreme bigotry against Jews, Catholics, Muslims and others which is very much ongoing. Johnson is a prime example of the traditional tory view that only wasps have worth.

I’m afraid that’s a total distortion of the truth. National Jewish organisations have been pretty much unanimous in their condemnation of labours current state. They have lost MPs because of it.
Disgusting attempt to minimise and shift blame. Is Corbyn paying you? Or offered you a seat in the House of Lords s he did with the last pathetic apologist?

Compared to where I'm sitting £40k is a huge amount of money. And are you really suggesting that fat cats on obscene salaries wouldn't have benefitted from his tax cuts?

I agree with PPs, the man has no integrity and will say whatever he feels he needs to to win support. At least JC stands by his beliefs. FML

I’m a party member and I voting Boris as I can’t bring myself to vote Hunt.

Compared to where I'm sitting £40k is a huge amount of money

Why does that mean they shouldn't have a tax cut?

Higher rate tax starts at £50k, not 40. That’s roughly double the average salary. As someone who was a higher rate tax payer for years, I think that’s quite generous enough. If we’re looking at tax cuts they should benefit people on minimum wage.

Blimey. Who'd ever have thought there may be a time where the leaders of the two main parties were both Jezzas?

People who earn 40k will have lost child benefit and get no more than the minimum loan for their teens at uni. It's going to cost us approx 500 a month when dd goes to uni. Happy to claw a tiny amount back in tax personally.

Wrong. The cut off for child benefit is also £50k.

I'm a higher rate taxpayer (just).
I think tax cuts for people on my salary are a stupid irresponsible, unaffordable idea, and public spending needs to be increased not cut.

The increase in NI Boris proposed was just for higher rate tax payers wasn't it? At the moment the NI contributions on income over a certain amount is very low.

So for those higher earners eligible for NI, Boris's proposals will increase NI contributions and decrease income tax contributions. (Still a net tax cut though it think?) But it's not really aimed at higher earners whose income is via a wage.

But the real winners would be those higher earners who are not obliged to pay NI at all.
Which is those "earning" more than £50k through investments (not wages). This of course would include wealthy pensioners (nb: I am not saying ALL pensioners are wealthy, but those with an income over £50k bloody are!) It would also help those who are not pensioners but who have so much money invested that the interest and dividends on that money alone is around twice what many people earn.

So the tax cut is targeted to particularly benefit a niche group in society, I think.

It's a highly cynical promise designed to appeal not to the electorate but to Conservative members. Among whom there will be a high proportion of that niche group that would benefit the most from his tax cut.

Ach! Maybe this load of cod's is our national rock bottom.

Maybe more real people will become politicians for reasons of, well, politics not personal aggrandisement. Maybe...

But, as far as I can see, none of the parties have any electable candidates. Locally we have some weird mix of nonsense, know nothings and Billy Bullshitters, one and all.

So I hope that this and the realities of GE will make many wake up and do soemthing other than moan - and yes, I did stand for my local council - got told to fuck off as I am not born and bred!

Google says that the next General Election is due the 5th May 2022! So whichever one of these slimebags gets the top job we are stuck with them for the next two and a half years. FFS.

No we’re not. They can - and will - be no confidenced by Christmas. The Tories have just lost another MP in Wales.

TheAngryLlama it's really not. And I'm definitely not being paid! That IS a ridiculous comment to make!

"Compared to where I'm sitting £40k is a huge amount of money

Why does that mean they shouldn't have a tax cut?" Seriously?! How about because the already well off don't NEED more money but the poor do? How about because that money would be better spent on essentials like emergency services, healthcare, education etc?

"People who earn 40k will have lost child benefit and get no more than the minimum loan for their teens at uni. It's going to cost us approx 500 a month when dd goes to uni. Happy to claw a tiny amount back in tax personally." But clearly you can afford it or else your dd wouldn't BE going back to uni. Meanwhile there are youngsters from poorer families who can't even consider going to uni because they cannot afford to do so. What you're really saying is because you personally begrudge using your own money as you should be that means millions of other poorer families without your good fortune should be even worse off.

"No we’re not. They can - and will - be no confidenced by Christmas." Hope you're right.