Interview Feedback? Is this a bit cheeky?

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DH had an interview for promoted post at work yesterday.

He was told today he didn’t get the job, but was given the feedback that he gave “the best presentation of the day, and had some very good ideas.”

They would like him to meet with the person that did get the post so she can implement some of his ideas. He’s just told me this on the phone; and he sounded really annoyed. He thinks the company want to have their cake and eat it too?

Would he be unreasonable to tell them no, if they wanted his ideas implemented they should have given him the job?

I’m not posting and running; but need to pop out in a mo; so will reply to any questions/comments later.

Thanks!

Was it an internal interview or for another company entirely?

Ooh I would be supremely irritated at that as well. Is he on her team? If so, I would give a VERY high level view... Otherwise not a hell in chance!

It was internal. There were no external candidates and I don’t think it was ever advertised externally.

But they have already heard his ideas?!? So, if he doesn't share them, then whoever interviewed him could?

This happens more than I'd like to hear about, both in the organisation that I worked for and to my DH at a completely different company (final interview included a test, he didn't get the job but they used his idea).

Beyond irritating.

Will they pay him consultancy fees? Otherwise, hell no.

To bloody right to be annoyed. Cheeky bastards. Is it a new job in the same company, by any chance? I’ve seen this happen before. They think the person is doing a great job in the position they’re in and don’t want to move them, but still need a position filled. This way they only have to train one new staff member, instead of moving a permanent member of staff, then having to train them and their replacement. Is it a small company?

I can't think of a single reason why he'd want to do that! In fact I can't believe their front in asking. So that would be a polite 'No' to that request - if I even bothered to acknowledge it.

@boredandstuffy he’s not on her team, they work in different departments in middle management. The interview was for a senior management post.

There may have been other reasons why the other person got the job. With regards to the ideas, I would feel exactly the same. However, as they are both working for the same organisation, surely it will benefit them both re the bottom line etc

Would it be worth saying yes they can so long as he can be involved in the implementation and receive the credit for the idea?

I would be really hacked off though.

Ah, sorry, see its internal.

I would be very unimpressed.

Maybe he lacked experience, maybe they felt he wouldn't make as good al manager or leader. However much it hurts I would agree to meet and share some ideas, just not all. Who knows, that person might not like the job, décide to leave but his collaborative attitude might be what gets him the promotion next time.

How would not sharing his ideas benefit him in any way?

Will they pay him consultancy fees? Otherwise, hell no.

That’s a good idea. Tell them that he wants a consultancy fee, as training her will impact on his current workload. That way he looks as if he’s co operating, but still getting paid for it. Also tell him to make sure he copies management into all communications with her, so it’s obvious that he’s the one that has been instrumental in creating the changes, in case she takes all the credit.

I had that interview feedback I had. Project management presentation. They said the ideas and systems I had were ideally suited and they were going to use them to instruct the more experienced candidate. It’s all I can do to stop myslef visiting the project to see how they are doing. I couldn’t keep my mouth shut though.
I’m not so daft as to think they don’t do it but why do they come out at say it!

He already works there, so of course he needs to meet with a colleague to discuss things of senior management wants him to. Asking for consultancy fees would make him sound totally unreasonable.

Very cocky! I just posted about a succession of shitty job application situations too and this reminds me I need to add something similar that happened to me! I actually obliged when it happened to me but probably shouldn’t have.

I would be so pissed off if I was in your dh's shoes also. He probably can't refuse as he already works there and that would make him look small minded and petty. What he could do is share his idea but on a much broader level ie don't give all the details. Hopefully they will then realise that he is needed on said project.

What a shit position to be in.

I think that he does need to do this - if not, he's showing that he isn't putting the company first and may not be considered for another promotion. He should be getting credit for it though - through performance reviews etc.

Surely as he already works for the company they already own the intellectual rights to his ideas (or whatever the exact wording is).

As annoying as it is, I think your husband is going to have to do what is asked of him.

I would have thought sharing ideas is part of doing your job. Not an added extra to be paid extra for.

Your DH should request further feedback. It's great they thought he had the best presentation, and his ideas were good enough to be implemented, but he needs constructive feedback, ie what could he have done better to land the job, or what was he lacking.

It will do him no good to refuse. How do you think he will be regarded in future if he refuses to do something that will benefit the company? He is paid, ultimately, to maximise the profits made, not to promote his own career, refusing to take action to do this will be seen negatively. He could refuse if he’s planning to leave.

Of course he needs to share them. He may find a request becomes a demand if he doesn't. He works for the company and it will not make him look good not to, and it will impact his future there.

I would definitely get him to ask if he can be involved in implementing the ideas and making sure his own line manager is aware of it. If he isn't happy with the situation, I'm afraid the only thing he can do is move company.

For an internal company, of course I’d do this. If I have ideas which can improve the company I’d share them whether I were to be promoted or not. Anything else seems petty and spiteful.