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To ask for advice re DD with ASD and new partner?

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SuePerbly · 13/06/2019 16:26

I have been separated from my ex since September of last year (very amicable split). In January I got together with an old friend that DD had met before a few times and really liked.

DP moved up to Yorkshire to be near us in March, into his own rental around the corner. He comes round once a week when DD is here and otherwise, we see each other when DD is at her dad's (she goes to him on a weekend).

My DD is currently being assessed for Aspergers/ASD. Though school, Ex and I, and the Drs we have seen all think that she has it. As a result, DD is incredibly literal.

Today, I am unwell. DP went and collected DD from school for me as a favour and brought her home. On the way, he told her he had a present for her that he would give her when they got home.

So they arrive home, DP goes to make me a cup of tea and DD asks "where is my present?". As I was upstairs, I heard DP saying "Actually, that is pretty rude to ask for a present". I came down and backed him up and said it was, and that you should always wait for presents to be offered. DD became furious because in her eyes, she had just taken him literally. That she would get a present as soon as she got home. She also has a hard time knowing what is rude when she is (in her mind) asking a perfectly logical question. I have explained this to DP, and he has spent ages researching ASD, so he knows, but yet said something anyway. I am not sure if this is unfair or not?

DP has a tendency to joke a lot. He was telling DD that a certain knife, he had blunted for her so she can use it safely. He then pretended to cut himself on it. DD burst into tears and ran off, and is now scared of the knife.

I explained to DP that DD cannot get his jokes. She is literal and he apologised to her. She said she would never forgive him (she is also a drama queen as she is 8 going on 27!). He has now left.

My question is, what do I do? I am exhausted at trying to get these two to understand each other. I love my DP very much, and I know that DD does like him deep down, but she is constantly upset with him due to how he is.

In hindsight, I should have waited much longer before introducing him as a DP rather than friend. I know that now. But how do I move forwards positively? Do I stop contact between them (but then they will never learn each others ways). Do we just persevere as it is?

DD has been open in saying that she wants me an DP to get married at some point. But that also she wants me and her dad back together. To me, this means she needs consistency as she is clearly confused. Please help me know what to do?

Please Don't pile on. I am trying my hardest and feel torn in two ways. But aside from the ASD, my DD can act like a brat sometimes and want her own way a lot. My ex gives into her and I don't (one of the reasons for the split).

I just want everyone to be happy and get on.

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BollocksToBrexit · 13/06/2019 16:32

I don't think your DD did anything wrong. He told her he had a present for her when she got home, she asked him were it was. Sounds fine to me (I do have AS though so maybe not the best to judge.)

Sirzy · 13/06/2019 16:34

Give it time.

Everything is still new with the split and the new relationships

You have had her whole life to get used to her and what things work and don’t, and I bet you still make mistakes!

My ds is 9, I have been with my new partner 3 years and we are just starting to really introduce things but the complexity of having a child with autism obviously makes this harder all around so the adults just need to be patient

Nanny0gg · 13/06/2019 16:35

He's being a dick.

She's 8 with sen Gus.

HTH

Nanny0gg · 13/06/2019 16:36

No idea who Gus is.

Should have said FGS

Aquamarine1029 · 13/06/2019 16:36

If your partner is unwilling or unable to understand how your daughter needs to be related to, this relationship will never work. It seems as though he isn't listening to you about her needs.

InTheHeatofLisbon · 13/06/2019 16:36

I think he's researched ASD but has no actual understanding of it or intent to understand it.

Why did you back him up?

SuePerbly · 13/06/2019 16:37

@Nanny0gg What is Gus? And no, your comment doesn't help much. In what way is he being a dick? Which part?

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Sirzy · 13/06/2019 16:37

You can research it until your blue in the face. However I am yet to meet anyone with autism who has read the research on how they are supposed to behave!

Alwaysgrey · 13/06/2019 16:38

I have two asd girls and my older one (10) is like this and can seem bratty. I’ve found when they are “higher functioning” it’s hard to see the asd and see a brat and assume they work the way neurotypical people do. Keep pulling him up, explain that his humour is upsetting her, that it’s not funny. It’s a learning curve for all and no one gets it right all the time. Ideally I think most kids would like divorced parents to get back together.

InTheHeatofLisbon · 13/06/2019 16:39

In what way is he being a dick? Which part?

Making a joke about blunting a knife when he knows she's very literal? Making her feel like a dick for asking for a present he told her she'd get as soon as she got home?

She's 8, she's only wee. And now she has some bloke who Mum agrees with fucking with her head because of her diagnosis which he is ignorant about.

InTheHeatofLisbon · 13/06/2019 16:41

Sirzy ain't that the truth!

I and my children are autistic, but we present very differently. We're not a hive mind. I also work with young adults with autism and comorbid diagnoses and they all present very differently too.

Research is all well and good but it's actually living in reality and not taking the piss out of autistic behaviours that is key.

Which your DP isn't doing OP.

Happinessbegins · 13/06/2019 16:42

Did she get the present?

I think it’s cruel to tell her she could have a present and then not give it to her. Of course she would ask. Any child would.

Aside from that it why has he moved to your area after only a couple of months. All seems a bit quick especially with your dd’s needs.

MyNewBearTotoro · 13/06/2019 16:42

Did he actually have a gift or was it the knife?

jameswong · 13/06/2019 16:43

It's really on your DP to adapt IMO

HedgehogStew · 13/06/2019 16:43

It's cruel to tell an 8 year old there's a present for them at home when there's not. That's a mean thing to do whether the child has SEN or not. I don't think she did anything wrong asking for it. It was something she had been told about. She wasn't demanding something off her own back. (so in away it had already been offered.) Your partner was tormenting her and you were supporting him. I think you should have taken your daughters side instead.

SuePerbly · 13/06/2019 16:43

Why did you back him up? because it is rude to ask for presents in our society! I explained that to her. But I also explained to him re her being literal and that he was out of order with the knife joke. That was a dickish joke and he pissed me off with that.

I have messaged him saying that if DD does something that he sees as being rude or naughty, to speak to me about it. In the past I had told him he was ok to address it himself, but that obviously isn't working. So he needs to talk to me so I can either explain to him OR I can take it up with her as appropriate.

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Happinessbegins · 13/06/2019 16:44

What was the present?

InTheHeatofLisbon · 13/06/2019 16:47

because it is rude to ask for presents in our society!

Not if you're very literal because of autism. It's logical. If you measure her by NT standards she's always going to fall short. Measure her by who she is, not who everyone else is.

Did she get the present?

SuePerbly · 13/06/2019 16:48

*Research is all well and good but it's actually living in reality and not taking the piss out of autistic behaviours that is key.

Which your DP isn't doing OP*

That is a very fair point. So he either gets with it - rapidly - or I shall kick him into touch.

He actually thinks the world of her, but has raised two DDs himself who he had a very jokey relationship with. I have explained that he cannot do that with DD but it is as if it is his default.

The present was the knife as DD wants to learn to cook and really wanted a decent knife. So that's what he got her but blunted it so she couldn't hurt herself.

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Dungeondragon15 · 13/06/2019 16:51

It wasn't nice if him to tell your dd it was rude to ask for the present considering he said he would give her one. I think many 8 year old would have done the that. Pretending to hurt himself was stupid. Hopefully he will learn in time.

Cookit · 13/06/2019 16:51

If my DP told me in the car home that he had a present for me I’d ask for it when I got home and I’m mid thirties..,

ASD or not, dangling a present over an 8 year old and then not delivering it and telling them they are rude when they ask for it doesn’t really seem on to me.

HiJuice · 13/06/2019 16:53

If someone close (partner/parent etc) told me they were giving me a present, I might well ask them for it when we got home. I don't think that's rude at all.

If someone wants to give you something, it's polite to act interested and grateful!

As for the blunt knife that is ridiculous - blunt knives are more dangerous than sharp ones. His jokes don't sound funny at all to anyone. Your DD having SEN is irrelevant.

He's your partner not her dad, he needs to stop disciplining her and let her be.

SuePerbly · 13/06/2019 16:55

I am taking all points on board and will be taking it up with him. He will be gutted that he has upset her as he truly doesn't want to. I am going to sit him down and have a bloody good chat with him. He has to try and rein himself in with her. I have told him that we have to adapt to her. Not the other way around.

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InTheHeatofLisbon · 13/06/2019 16:56

That is a very fair point. So he either gets with it - rapidly - or I shall kick him into touch.

Fair play OP.

Intent to try and get to know her and understand the way she thinks is what he needs to be doing I think. His own relationship with his own DDs is just that, it's his own. He needs to take his lead from your DD.

Incidentally we have knives at work which are great but can't cut you, I'll ask tomorrow where to get them and post a link if you like? Our service users have a lot of coordination issues which means they'd struggle with a regular sharp knife or it would be potentially dangerous, so using these means we can still cook/prep without the danger.

If he really loves you and wants to make things work, he'll try harder with your DD.

Happinessbegins · 13/06/2019 16:57

Did she actually want a knife as a present?

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