To want someone to explain 3 things about Brexit

[Bearbehind]

If I could understand these 3 things I might get my head round why we are persuing it:-

• What countries and products will we suddenly be able to trade that we couldn’t before?

• How will we be better off by losing frictionless access to the worlds largest trading bloc in return for gaining less than 1% of GDP we send to the EU?

• Even though we don’t want a border in NI and the EU don’t, we can’t avoid one under WTO rules so how is that going to be addressed?

And MN, please don’t move this to the Brexit corner

Bearbehind

No, the answers don’t suit the reality of the situation.

Point proven, Thank you.

Not at all boney. If you want to prove me wrong you’d give your answers to the questions in the OP

biggest trade parner is the us which has no trade deal its frankly surprising you didnt know this

How many bilateral agreements to facilitate the trade of goods and services does the EU have with the US?

Hint: it’s not zero.

Minford: "It will be in your interests to do it, just as in the same way we ran down the coal and steel industries.“

That’s rich - it was Minford advising Thatcher at the time the Tories did exactly that.

Cost - Benefit analysis!

Here you only focus on some imports being cheaper.

You further assume that the supply chain of the food industry in the UK can be easily be redirected the same way you can switch from one supermarket to another.

According to the Institute for Governmentt* , Dover is "a key artery for UK trade heading to continental Europe" with more than 2.5m heavy goods vehicles passing through the port every year.
Its report says goods worth £119bn passed through the port in 2015, "representing around 17% of the UK's entire trade in goods by value".

Have you calculated the cost of checking every single truck in and out of Calais? Say you can snap your fingers and have all this trade come from outside the EU: Have you calculated the cost to the trucking industry?

Have you calculated the cost to all industries exporting to the EU if all of the sudden 40 years of free trade were to disappear and physical checks as well as other taxes were to appear?

So yes you can always find benefits to changing a government or any negotiated agreement, but what are the costs?

Absolutely right polythene - the consistent factor here is that Leavers look at the absolutely best case upsides with considering any of the downsides.

Not at all boney. If you want to prove me wrong you’d give your answers to the questions in the OP theyve been answered many times but were not the reason we voted leave so it wont help you ps if you get youre way and remain i want you to tell me in detail what our participation with the eu will be like in the next 10 30 and 50 years

The ‘benefits’ ( or not ) of Brexit’ won’t be known until we’ve left, possibly up to 10 years after we’ve left, so these discussions need to be had some time in the future.

Something like. ‘So, it’s been 7 years since we left the EU, was it worth it”

The benefits of leaving shoild be apparent, not potential far in the future benefits based upon fanciful and fallacious reasoning.

greenlloon No answer to how many agreements exist between the EU and the USA to facilitate trade then?

Our participation in the EU in 10, 20 and 3p years will look much like it had been for the last 46 years where the UK has had major influence in shaping EU policy.

they've been answered many times

They really really haven’t.

If that were true then surely it would take seconds to recap them now.

They've been answered with flights of fancy or counterfactual arguments or appeals to emotion.

It’s ridiculous that the Tory leader candidates keep on claiming the WA can be renegiotiated - when is it going to sink in?

Never gonna sink b/c "the EU WILL CAVE when a Churchillian quality Brexiter stares them down". -goes the Brexiter argument.

Bizarrely enough, the Brexiters are caught in the same Led by Donkeys universe as rest of us, they just want the Donkeys to pull in a very different direction.

*And even Churchill had the decency to wrestle openly with self-doubt.

Yes all the outcomes in the government report suggest GDP would be hit etc but maybe just maybe for some people its not all just about money....

Would you stay in a job you despise for more money if if there was a chance you would be much happier doing something for slightly less money?

Would you stay in a relationship where you were controlled by your DP just because you have more money together? No you would leave and take the chance that you may be much happier afterwards.... yes maybe a lot of leavers will be eating some humble pie in a few years but that doesn't give them the right to not see if the grass is greener!

The majority of you cry out LTB as soon as someone says their OH is controlling yet you are happy for our country to essentially be controlled by the EU in the hope that you have a bit more money in your pockets!

@bcfc123* controlled by the EU*
In what way are we controlled by something we are a part of?

In what way is the EU "controlling" poor analogy badly made.

yes maybe a lot of leavers will be eating some humble pie in a few years but that doesn't give them the right to not see if the grass is greener!

Fair enough if it was just them eating humble pie and suffering but they're dragging a good half of us screaming and kicking down that path.

yes maybe a lot of leavers will be eating some humble pie in a few years but that doesn't give them the right to not see if the grass is greener!

You can make an informed opinion on whether the grass is greener without actually doing it.

There have still been no realistic answers to any of the questions in the OP yet Leavers still think the grass is greener.

Why?

Would you stay in a relationship where you were controlled by your DP just because you have more money together?

Go-girl - dump him and let's go to a spa! And lets not hurry into another relationship - we don't need trade agreements, science and research collaboration, we don't need anyone, do we, hun!

So Boris is still promising Leavers the moon on a stick - it’s no wonder the reality isn’t sinking in is it?