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Reach for the stars, sun, moon or Mars. Trump thread 94

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lionheart · 07/06/2019 22:27

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-07/trump-s-tariffs-have-wiped-out-most-families-tax-cut-gains

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lionheart · 23/06/2019 18:29

Oh.

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cozietoesie · 23/06/2019 19:50

Ms Maddow.

PerkingFaintly · 23/06/2019 19:59

I'm a bit behind.

From lionheart's Guardian link:

Video reveals Steve Bannon links to Boris Johnson
www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jun/22/video-reveals-steve-bannon-links-to-boris-johnson

Video evidence obtained by the Observer shows Bannon, who helped mastermind Trump’s successful bid for the presidency but was later exiled from the White House, talking about his relationship and contacts with Johnson, and how he helped him craft the first speech after his resignation as foreign secretary
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Reports of Johnson and Bannon’s relationship were first published last summer. When asked about it at the time, Johnson said: “As for the so-called association with Steve Bannon, I’m afraid this is a lefty delusion whose spores continue to breed in the Twittersphere.”

PerkingFaintly · 23/06/2019 20:10

Still, Stevey Boy shouldn't feel hurt. He's not the only special friend denied like that by B Johnson.

Wonder if Bannon will have a longer Johnson-life than Petronella Wyatt did back in 2004?

(Though I do feel some sympathy for Wyatt: looks like Johnson was a shit to her.)

cozietoesie · 23/06/2019 20:17

The Beat.

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cozietoesie · 23/06/2019 22:14

Ah well.

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Roussette · 24/06/2019 00:19

'The mother of all immigration threads with verifiable facts'

Worth reading

threadreaderapp.com/thread/1082819265202475008.html

lionheart · 24/06/2019 01:01

Thanks Roussette.

Leaky:

www.axios.com/leaked-donald-trump-vetting-docs-hbo-6ce3cd26-1eb9-4da8-b15e-47b56020aef7.html

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Roussette · 24/06/2019 07:54

That article is Shock shocking lion, what a bunch of swamp creatures they are

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Roussette · 24/06/2019 08:50

This is all we need to know about Boris Johnson, who is Trump with an Eton education. I appreciate this should be on a Brexit thread, but Trumpism is spreading everywhere....

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/22/boris-johnson-steve-bannon-texts-foreign-secretary-resignation-speech?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

lionheart · 24/06/2019 09:06

Yes.

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AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 24/06/2019 15:24

The question I have to ask myself about this one is "Do I think Bannon tells the truth?" The answer is that I don't. What his motive may have been in trying to give an impression of close links with a politician in a country not his own I cannot know, but clearly he must have had some reason for it. And it won't have been for the benefit of anyone but Bannon, is my guess; also it may have been nothing to do with reality, since he is clearly delusional.

To put it another way, my enemy's enemy may not be my friend, and taking as reliable someone I know to be unreliable is probably a mistake. Just because something he says appears to fit something I may have suspected, that really doesn't make it fact.

Has anyone seen all these many texts, for instance? If not, who is telling the truth about them? What was the context? Can a link be actually demonstrated? and so on.

Also, there are quite a few people I don't think I know particularly who would say they know me quite well... Usually they have no idea about me, and are a damn nuisance.

(No, I don't favour Johnson. I just don't see that an unsupported claim against him is something I am going to get excited about. And this all belongs in a Brexit thread anyway, not here. Sorry.)

lionheart · 24/06/2019 16:05

No reason to be sorry. I hope that's right about Bannon. Boris is a problem.

This from the last time he was a contender and from the FT:

www.ft.com/content/3cb2d7c8-c714-11e8-ba8f-ee390057b8c9

And this, which is less to do with ideology and more to do with winning:

www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2019/06/what-boris-johnson-and-nigel-farage-have-learned-trump-playbook

www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/magazine/boris-johnson-populism-conservatives-far-right

'Boris Johnson can take or leave bigotry, depending on whether it grabs a giggle or any other advantage. He is urbane when he wants to be, but his back-catalogue of jibes about “picanninies” with “watermelon smiles” attests to an ability to snap into a very different mode if the moment requires it—not to mention his chilling quip in 2017, while foreign secretary, about how the Libyan city of Sirte could become a Dubai-style beach resort once they “clear the dead bodies away.” And he is the overwhelming favourite with the Conservative Party membership.'

And from one of Cameron's former speech writers:

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/09/boris-johnson-resignation-self-serving-charlatan

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PerkingFaintly · 24/06/2019 16:09

I think the Johnson–Bannon stuff very much does belong on this thread. It's not like they limit their activities to one country each...

But yes, I agree Bannon may not be telling the strictest of truth. And as you say, he's keen to self-aggrandise.

Of course we also know Johnson happily lies to people's faces.

So many lies, so little time...

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lionheart · 24/06/2019 19:13

www.nytimes.com/2019/06/24/opinion/border-kids-immigration-help.html

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cozietoesie · 24/06/2019 19:38

I'm afraid I haven't read the New Yorker piece.

AcrossthePond55 · 24/06/2019 20:05

It's funny/not funny, but I always thought of Boris Johnson as a bit of a privileged buffoon so I never really paid any serious attention to him. It just hit me recently that I (and so many others) regarded Scrotus in the same way; a rich buffoon blowing hot air but not to be taken seriously. Now I know how wrong that was!

Will he really be made PM? And if so, will he really be as blatantly heartless and unscrupulous as Scrotus?

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 24/06/2019 20:18

Probably and probably. But his party will be more likely to rebel about it, I suspect, because there will be more pressure on them to do so; the endorsement of the leader has less clout here when it comes to elections, especially if the leader is unpopular. Also I think that campaign finance may be more controlled here, and thus less powerful for individual MPs as an inducement. But I could be wrong about that; I am unsure what the rules are in America, though it does sometimes look from outside as if a rich man can buy a politician by funding his campaign.