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Do you judge single mums who claim benefits to be able to stay home with DC?

333 replies

username00000 · 04/06/2019 09:34

Specifically DC before school age.

OP posts:
MaximusHeadroom · 04/06/2019 10:35

No. I think mums are often trapped into this situation with the ridiculous cost of childcare. If the UK wants to be judgy, they need to do something about the cost of childcare in the UK. We invest in women's education and professional development and then allow them to be squeezed out of the workplace with a childcare system which is not fit for purpose.

We currently live in Austria and here if both parents work 20 hours or more per week, children get childcare for €200 per month. The nurseries are state run and wonderful.

Plus, single mums who are in this situation have often been abandoned by the father of their children. I hate that the stigma is always attached to the mother because she retains responsibility for the children.

In terms of the mothers people talk about with lots of children and no interest in working, I feel sad that they feel they don't deserve better in life. When the kids grow up, their benefits will dwindle and they will not have skills of experience to enter the workplace.

I love my kids and I love my job and I feel very lucky that I am allowed to serve both needs.

EllieJaye · 04/06/2019 10:37

If you are trying to find a job that works for your family then fair enough.

People who just expect to stay home and claim benefits with no intention of working, yes I'm afraid feel a bit judgy about that, I don't think that's right. I feel the same about this whether children are involved or not tbh

If you can afford to stay at home without claiming benefits then of course that's perfect if that's what you want to do.

myDHhasahobbyanditsnotcycling · 04/06/2019 10:37

It would be nice if this option was available to all mother's/parents.

absolutely!

The same amount should be given to any parent. It's disgusting that some people don't even qualify for child benefit in this country!

SmarmyMrMime · 04/06/2019 10:38

People tend to do what results in the most personal benefit for the circumstances they are in.

Some people look long term, e.g. breaking even on childcare costs for long term progression and financial security. Some people look more at the here and now.

Circumstances change as OP's have. I've known people plan pregnancy in good circumstances then encounter redundancy within a week of a BFP which lead to a very difficult start to raising their family before family life eventually settled down.

Benefits systems are/ should be there to make sure everyone has a decent foundation in life. Sometimes the reality of working conditions (hours, pay, security, childcare logistics) mean that benefits are more secure than employment.

What I find difficult is when people knowingly create and have more children than they can ever realisticly support financially and emotionally. Most people, however they are funded have a limit where practicality overrides emotion. I can understand resentment when someone has a much smaller family than they desire see someone else being enabled to have a larger family because the state relieves a layer of personal responsibility which is why the UK system has become much tougher in the past decade, with much damage at an individual level along the way.

Mums cop the most judgement in society because they are visible and most likely to provide childcare so not be the lauded "hardworking" that the government craves. The dads are either hidden away in the workplace prividing or far, far worse, don't carry adequate responsibility for the children they created, especially the type that move on from relationship to relationship leaving a trail of children behind them and the mums to deal with the consequences. That's the corner for my laundry heap of judgy pants, not people trying their best for their families in changing circumstances.

Branleuse · 04/06/2019 10:39

No I dont. Its not going to be forever.

Willyoujustbequiet · 04/06/2019 10:40

No because I'm not ignorant.

FangsTasticBeast · 04/06/2019 10:40

No, my youngest is at school now but I’m still at home as I get dla/carers allowance for him

At some point I’m going to have to retrain, can’t do the job I used to now

I worked when my older two were little, never felt resentful of people who didn’t though

Ncagainandagainn · 04/06/2019 10:47

I'm a single parent on benefits. I'm applying for job after job and have had only one interview. No one wants to employ me so I'm going to college in August but will still be on benefits for this.

I hate being on benefits, I'm embarrassed by it. I come from a working class family and live in a working class area. I hate to think people judge me as a stereotypical single mother on benefits (can in one hand fag in the other as I see described on here often Hmm). I'm far from it, my children are my number one priority. They are clothed, fed and do activities. I don't buy a thing for myself to ensure I can do this. I also save through a credit union to make sure we have something to fall back on/help at Christmas. I'm also lucky to have a supportive family who take us on holiday every couple of years so they don't miss out on that.

I would work tomorrow if someone would give me the chance, being at home on benefits is not all its cracked up to be. I'm lonely, mentally exhausted. I get no help from their father or any maintenance. Even in part time work I won't be any better off financially (according to calculators online) but i would still rather be out at working earning for my children plus there's also the social aspect of it.

I hate the situation I'm in and tbh I haven't read the thread as I'm sure there will be some posts in there confirming my fears that I'm judged.

Oh and also I never watched Jeremy Kyle as many people assume is what single mothers on benefits do and in fact I don't really watch any TV during the day. I prefer to wait until my children are in bed and catch up then Smile

Tawdrylocalbrouhaha · 04/06/2019 10:47

No, not at all.

I have a friend in this situation - she would rather be working but it is not easy to find a suitable, permanent, flexible job. She is afraid of taking a chance, messing up her benefits, and essentially making her child's life less stable and secure for very little financial benefit. I think she is making the right choice.

I don't think it's the easy option either - I went back to work because I needed a break, and her DC is way harder work than mine.

SarahBeeney · 04/06/2019 10:49

I know a couple of single Mums who are on benefits,they've never worked. They have 3/4 children. I know one of them has tried various jobs but she only wants to work from 9:30-3pm so that makes it tricky.

Also,she would only get minimum wage jobs so it does seem pointless to get a full time job!
I wonder if they assume their own children will follow their path? The kids father is not on the scene and she has no support.

I wouldn't want my children to think that living on benefits all your life is a lifestyle choice.
So in a way I do judge but I can see why people do have to live that way.

Freyasmum1 · 04/06/2019 10:50

I'd love to know how you know these women pop out babies for the benefit money?! Like, do they tell you this? Or are you just making your own assumptions.

notangelinajolie · 04/06/2019 10:51

Whenever possible, I personally think it's better for children to be brought up by their own parent/s rather than paying someone else to do it. But I know that not everyone can or wants to do that. If you can make being a stay at home parent work then go for it.
And can I just say - going back to work and getting someone else to look after your child doesn't necessarily mean you wouldn't be claiming benefits. Free childcare vouchers are benefits too.

RompeCabezas · 04/06/2019 10:51

Of course not.

Working was a "choice" i couldnt afford when i was a single mum with two children, unable to earn enough to fund a household + childcare.

So no. Because im not stupid.

I work now and im still a single mum to teens and its do-able but still hard.

So no. Im not out of touch with the realities.

Teddybear45 · 04/06/2019 10:52

I have a friend in this situation. It started off as a way just to avoid private nursery fees which is understandable but her child is now going to school, so she could get a job during school hours (where she lives, locally, most jobs are part time and term time / around school hours), and it wouldn’t impact her benefit claim negatively. In fact she probably would be able to claim more - but she has become used to the lifestyle of being at home - dropping kid off in pyjamas, coming home for a nap, housework on her schedule, drinks / coffee with mates.

EmeraldShamrock · 04/06/2019 10:57

No, I am glad there is a system in place considering the devastation it caused in previous generations. It is a hard way to live financially and emotional.
I will admit I judge those who keep having more DC with no intentions of ever working.
My neighbour's youngest is age 4, so she is trying for another, she has 4 DC already so yes I judge her choices to keep her benefits for as long as possible.

FormerlyFrikadela01 · 04/06/2019 10:59

I personally think it's better for children to be brought up by their own parent/s rather than paying someone else to do it.

Im not paying someone to bring up my child... I'm paying them to care for him whilst me and dp work. It's statements like this that piss me off because whether it was your intention or not there is a judgment there that working parents aren't raising their own children.

greenlloon · 04/06/2019 11:00

yes only have children i YOU can afford them

EmeraldShamrock · 04/06/2019 11:02

I think it would be a good decision for you OP until he starts school.
TBF you get very little on the UK as a non working single DM, I think it is 120 including his tax credit. it will be a struggle.

Sparadrap · 04/06/2019 11:04

No I wouldn’t judge because I really don’t care what your financial arrangements are. It’s nobody else’s business how you are supporting yourself (providing it’s legal).

I honestly don’t get it when people divulge so much information to everyone. It’s like you are setting yourself up to be judged. If people ask just say something vague. If they want details they are just being nosey.

Just do what is right for you and your family and don’t be so hard on yourself x

ThisMustBeMyDream · 04/06/2019 11:05

blackteasplease

"Not at all. I might judge the other parent who left though (assuming the sahm is not widowed!)"

Or assuming that the man even left in the first place? Or that the woman and man were in a relationship at all because FWB and one night stands certainly exist. Not every man has had that choice to leave. If you aren't going to judge the mum, why are you going to judge the dad (unless he is absent through his own choice of course!).

SallyWD · 04/06/2019 11:06

No, there are far worse villains in society!

pattimayonnaise · 04/06/2019 11:07

It all depends on the circumstances. It must be so hard being a single parent, I'm stressed when my partner works away and I have to get them to school and nursery and then get to work myself. I can't imagine doing it full time.
For me it all depends on the person's attitude to working. If you have children knowing you'll never work and with the intention to only claim benefits - that's a separate issue. You're doing nothing wrong in my opinion and you shouldn't feel guilty.

QueenoftheBiscuitTin · 04/06/2019 11:08

Yes, because I don't expect taxpayers to pay for a child that's my responsibility. Having a child isn't a right. Don't have one if you can't afford it.

Ncagainandagainn · 04/06/2019 11:08

greenlloon

My ex left me what was I supposed to do with my children? I lost my part time job when the business closed down whilst pregnant with my second and by the time she was born he was gone.

ThisMustBeMyDream · 04/06/2019 11:08

I have learned through life that individual circumstances can lead to choices that others simply can't understand.

Anyone who judges a parent chosing to put the needs of their child first would get short change from me.

Putting the needs of your child first comes in a hige variety of ways btw.

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