AIBU to think believing science can change sexual orientation is a logical and reasonable assumption?

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From Ann Widdicome who believes that as science can change a person's sex then its logical that science could change a person's sexual orientation? To be clear I dont believe this, I dont think science (be it hormones or extreme plastic surgery) can change a person's sex, let alone a person's sexual orientation but for those who do believe humans can change sex, do you agee? If not, why not?

but agnurse, we are all talking about relationships where the other partner does consent

what you seem to be saying is vet wants to examine animal, owner wants animal to be examined, animal does not object but some third party belonging to a religion to which neither owner, vet or animal adheres comes running in to say this is unacceptable and not a real examination

could you perhaps explain the affective complementary thing, agnurse?

if this is not about biology but about temperament, what prevents a camp, feminine person from marrying a butch person of the same sex?

and does it equally prevent a woman from marrying a man who has strong feminine traits?

This is the paradigm I follow. Do you see "hate" in there?

Yes!

If two people of the same sex have a loving, consensual relationship, where is the harm? Where is the victim in this crime?

I don't actually buy this 'complementary' bollox anyway. I am a full person in my own right, and I believe that people as individual are complete in themselves. I don't need someone to 'complete' me.

Actually that doens't come from me, I remember one of my sex ed teachers in secondary school telling us that. Each person is an individual, not a half, a quarter, or a tenth of an individual.

So, in other words, you believe that disagreeing with someone's lifestyle and not supporting their "marriage" to a partner is the same thing as hate.

I thought this was a country that allowed free speech and freedom of opinion.

@mbosnz

We’re used to that I’m afraid.

I knew that freedom of opinion would come into play soon.

I believe in equal rights. If you discriminate against a specific group or person because of their sexuality, then you are in the wrong sorry. You can believe or say what you want, I don't care, but if you would recruit someone or not recruit someone to work in your organisation based on their sexual orientation, I believe you would act illegally. That's called discrimination.

so if I decide that I don't think ugly people should be allowed to marry, because I don't like the thought of them having sex, it's fine to tell them, because freedom of speech? it's fine for me to agitate for such people to be encouraged or forced to abstain because of my aesthetic sensibilities?

Yea cory, you've got it. Or fat people. Or people with disabilities.... god forbid old people would ever have sex...

@SimonJT

Absolutely godawful, isn't it?

Didn't someone once say 'judge not, lest ye be judged'? Who was that again?

You even get people who are anti mixed race relationships as they believe being mixed race is inferior and akin to breeding with a monkey.

and you still haven't explained the affective complementary business

come on: butch girl marries feminine girl- affective complementary or not?

butch man marries feminine man- affective complementary or not?

butch girl marries feminine man- affective complementary or not?

go on, sort it out and tell us who we are allowed to marry

You don't have to agree with someone's 'lifestyle' and you most certainly don't have to 'support' their marriage.

What you do need to do is understand they have every right, both legal and moral, to live their life according to their lights, (as you do yours), their faith, and the law of their land. Which does allow them to be openly and happily gay, and to marry their same sexed partner.

Doesn't matter what their traits are. The point is that a butch girl is not a man, nor is a feminine man a woman.

Have I ever said that I wouldn't hire someone just because they are gay? Have I ever said I wouldn't associate with someone just because they are gay?

agnurse you can use whatever bullshit excuses you want youre just a bigot plain and simple

I think you are mistaken on the judging. We cannot judge the eternal state of a person's soul. We CAN and SHOULD judge the morality of a person's ACTIONS. Otherwise, we could not even have laws or law courts.

Science will achieve things which seem fanciful today, as it has through history.

The brain is one of the least understood organs so you'd of thought would see the most advanced in the future.

The real question is whether we want an answer to sexuality.
I don't know but I wouldn't imagine it's an area which the Brits would be at the forefront of.
You'd of thought it'll be the countries where homosexuality is illegal who are looking into such things.

It's a no from me.

“A person who is naturally infertile or whose body is too old to bear children is unable to conceive because of the function of their body, not because of the way it was designed.”

If a person is infertile, then that is exactly how their body was designed. So by your logic they should also be celibate.

Personally I think what the dude was saying, was you just mind your own damned knitting, and state of your soul, and leave the judging of others to yes, the courts of the Earth, and the courts of the hereafter.

So if you want to judge the morality of a person's actions - make it yours.

No, if a person is infertile, their body does not work the way it should.

In a gay relationship, the bodies were never supposed to be able to procreate together. It's not possible.

Doesn't matter what their traits are. The point is that a butch girl is not a man, nor is a feminine man a woman.

So explain where the affective bit comes in? Explain what you meant by that word? Explains why it means two women can't be happily married. I am all ears.

Affective refers to attitudes.

Try as she might, a "butch" girl can never be completely male. She cannot have entirely a "male" attitude. Nor should she; that's not what she is intended to be. The same is true for a "feminine" man.

So could you describe or define this uniquely feminine attitude that is shared by all women across all cultures? Ditto the specifically male attitude. Tell me what it is, because I genuinely do not know.

I think Anne Widecome is a lesbian deep down but she can't handle it so she goes for the asexual route and criticises others out of bitterness.
In another life she'd be shacked up with a female life companion and they'd be breeding Cocker Spaniels and she'd be an adorable eccentric person who lived in a village.