AIBU to think believing science can change sexual orientation is a logical and reasonable assumption?

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From Ann Widdicome who believes that as science can change a person's sex then its logical that science could change a person's sexual orientation? To be clear I dont believe this, I dont think science (be it hormones or extreme plastic surgery) can change a person's sex, let alone a person's sexual orientation but for those who do believe humans can change sex, do you agee? If not, why not?

Name one person who has had their sexual orientation changed through hypnosis. Or any means

It’s not unheard of for people who’ve suffered severe brain injuries to wake up and have changed sexual orientation, usually along with a complete personality change.

I don’t believe you can change sex and I don’t believe you can convert/treat anyone’s sexuality (or that you should even try).

But - if you believe that you can change sex (or gender) and you classify sexual orientation as being attracted to a particular sex (or gender) then surely you do believe you can change sexual orientation?

If for example, orientation is goverened by a gene well who knows if they could find a way to change that.
But if by "sex" what is meant is chromosomes, then that cannot be changed by science. So there is no logical follow on between the former and the latter.

It’s not unheard of for people who’ve suffered severe brain injuries to wake up and have changed sexual orientation, usually along with a complete personality change.

I don't believe you can convert or change sexuality, but it is possible for people to not realise what their sexuality actually is, or the full extent of it. Or for parts of it to get blocked off by prejudice or social conditioning and those types of factors.

So who can say whether in those extremely rare cases you mention, whether or not the person was just 'in the closet' without realising it, and the stroke/injury jolted them out of it.

Or who knows, maybe it can be changed. Ultimately no-one knows for sure.

What nonsense are you peddling?

Being transgender and being a sexuality other than straight have nothing to do with each other.

Transitioning is about altering your body's make up so that it matches your gender. No amount of hormones can change your gender. And no amount of anything can change your sexuality. You are born that way.

But yes, good to see the horrible posts about trans people are now moving away from the feminist board and onto the most popular board on the site. 🙄

So who can say whether in those extremely rare cases you mention, whether or not the person was just 'in the closet' without realising it, and the stroke/injury jolted them out of it

Well, if people can change personality completely then what makes you think they lie about their sexuality? It’s been studied quite a lot. Some have even woken with sexual feeling towards children.

It’s quite interesting to look up.

not the person was just 'in the closet' without realising it, and the stroke/injury jolted them out of it

And the ones who were gay but became heterosexual? It works both ways you know.

Well, if people can change personality completely then what makes you think they lie about their sexuality? It’s been studied quite a lot. Some have even woken with sexual feeling towards children.

It is not about anyone "lying". I am suggesting that the trauma might have unearthed what was already there (without this being consciously realised). As opposed to taking what was originally there and changing it to something new.

Though as I say, who knows, maybe sexuality is "all in the mind" rather than genetic or somesuch. I think this is what would be required for an injury to change sexuality, (as opposed to unearthing it). But no-one knows for 100% sure.

Transitioning is about altering your body's make up so that it matches your gender.

That presupposes humans have a gender in the same way as we have a sex. We don't. Gender is a vague term for a nebulous set of feelings and social expectations which vary in different societies.

FWIW, I don't think sexuality is as fixed as we like to think, but there are good reasons why people are very cynical about anything that looks like conversion therapy.

I do think it's reasonable to describe a same sex relationship where the trans person is post-op and passes as heterosexual, but what is happening in recent years is nothing like this.

Having dealt with vulnerable gay kids being told the can fit in by saying they are now the opposite sex and taking hormones, I can attest that it's a helluva lot like conversion therapy

There was a march recently where more than 200 formerly gay people marched to demonstrate that sexual orientation can change.

This was in Washington, I believe.

Does that mean they are bi? I knew a gay woman who was absolutely 100% gay. She is now happily married to a man and has kids. I have no doubt she was gay, nor that the absolutely loves her husband.

Why are people so insistent that the Feminism board is a nest of "hating transpeople"? It isn't. There are plenty of transpeople ON that board. To re-iterate for the millionth time, caring about women's rights does not equal transphobia.

There was a march recently where more than 200 formerly gay people marched to demonstrate that sexual orientation can change.

And what were they hoping to achieve?

How does a bunch of people who are clearly in denial demonstrate anything?

I hope you don't tell your poor patients that sexuality can be changed, or needs to be changed.

YABVU to seriously consider Widdecombe's views on anything

She's batshit and nasty with it

agnurse I only believe those people are struggling with who they are are and their sexuality, it doesn’t really mean anything

I’ve not read all the posts, but surely what Transgender people are saying is that they are in the wrong body for the sex they feel they are. They are changing body, not sex. That is not the same as changing someone’s perception of their sex.

Dear OP,

Just because being gay and being trans happen to fall in the same LTGBI term, doesn't in any way mean that there is a logical "scientific" link between them. The only link is that they are minorities who have and continue to be persecuted around the world (presumably by people like you). So whatever bigoted point you are trying to make about trans people, don't make yourself look like an even bigger bigot by indiscriminately lumping two categories of people in the same group to make your point.

Regards,
A Gay Person

So ... I was a straight guy in a longish marriage, struggling with gender dysphoria, so eventually transitioned and subsequently had a number of straight relationships with men, resulting in marriage to a (very) straight guy also previously married. I know (of) plenty of transwomen in that situation, so in my view of the above is, at best ill informed or just plain nonsense. But what would I know; 😂

Not sure it did a lot for my grammar and English though

Can science cure Anne Widdicome of being a fucking cunt? That’s the only question which needs answering.

Hang your heads in total shame all of you fucking useful idiots who voted for this bigot and her mates. Cannot believe her BS is being given a platform.

People who accept or support conversion therapy should also be supportive of heterosexual people being converted to gay or lesbian. Exactly...

Can science cure Anne Widdicome of being a fucking cunt?

@unfinishedkitchen No.You need religion for miracles not science.

"https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/political-minds/201811/gay-conversion-therapy-associated-suicide-risk%3famp"

This is the kind of sick practise you're promoting @agnurse. Even the church of England want it banned ffs.