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Husband's affair

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Ihaveasorehead · 31/05/2019 05:09

Okay, so not really an AIBU post but rather "I have been unreasonable and now I need to fix it post". So I am in my late 20s, have been with DH for 12 years and married for 10. We have 2 children aged 5 and 6. DH has been my only partner, I have no real family support - he has been my emotional support and best friend for many years and I genuinely do love him. I found out a year ago that DH was having an emotional affair with a work colleague. He promised to end it and we went to counselling. A couple of months later, I discovered he was still seeing her. He gave me a 15 point list of why the affair was my fault. I was devastated - these were really personal issues relating to my childhood (he says I am damaged and no one will want me), my weight (I am a size 12), my best friend and the fact that I had the audacity to shock horror work (the same number of hours he did, I might add). The other woman had, without my knowledge, been introduced to our children and had even assisted DH in picking the little one up from nursery. I felt sick to my stomach and like I had been replaced in every way. My initial reaction was to end it, however, in counselling we talked it over and I decided I could deal with it provided that the affair really had ended. It bothered me a lot during this time that DH was never really remorseful, however our counsellor suggested he may not be ready to feel remorse and to stick with it, work on his issues and essentially "put a pin in" my need to deal with the affair. It wasn't easy but I did that and there was a real improvement. The other woman left to work elsewhere, married her partner and DH eventually started to try and engage with my feelings about the affair. There was a brief period where I really felt it was working.

All of a sudden, about 7 months after my initial discovery, he started blaming me again for the affair and it turned out that it had restarted. He quit couples counselling and left me for the other woman (who ultimately decided to stay with her own husband). DH was remorseful and would come round crying and begging for another chance, saying he was suicidal etc. and thay he really loved me. I really wanted to make it work, I was worried about him, and, although he stayed living elsewhere, we continued to have a relationship albeit at a distance. The other woman got in touch with me, apologising, swearing they hadn't had sex and telling me it was over. (Her husband is staying with her - she seems to have told him that my DH threatened her into being with him and that she was "terrified" of DH. I don't believe that and she as good as admitted to me that she had spun her husband a line.) I told other woman that I forgave her, that she had not made any vows to me, that it sounded like she had a lot of issues that I sympathised with, but ultimately was quite forceful in asking her not to contact me again.

DH promised me the affair was over, that they had never had sex etc. He said he was at a low point but ultimately has gone on to make positive changes such as getting a job he enjoys and voluntarily attending counselling himself. We continued to have a relationship but again, at a distance.

Last month, he told me that he and other woman had sex together multiple times (including unprotected oral sex) including in my home, but swearing it was never in my bed. I booked an STD check and was completely and utterly devastated, however I was encouraged that, for the first time, he was being honest with me off his own back. I took the step of starting looking at a divorce and he told me other woman had agreed to sign an affadvait admitting everything (allowing me to get a divorce on the basis of adultery). I paid the fees, and he assured me he would sign an affadavit although he loved me and wanted to make it work, but ultimately the other woman changed her mind about singing her affadavit. Fortunately, DH sent me screenshots of messages from her admitting to adultery with him that I can use as evidence instead. For the first time, DH seemed to be taking full responsibility and was very caring and attentive to my needs. Although I continued looking into the divorce, I had hoped that his honesty was a sign that we could make it work.

Last night, DH told me he has been seeing other woman up until a month ago, that they had been having sex in his house and that he has been having sex with her in my bed and in my house (unfortunately he has to retain a set of keys to my flat since my work pattern means he comes round to take over childcare while kids are sleeping). I feel violated that he put me at risk of STDs and my privacy feels utterly non-existent, especially thinking of her with my husband in my bed or with my kids. It also turns out that they have been seeing one another and having sex at times when I had been told the relationship between them was over.

I feel utterly worn down by the situation and know I just cannot take it anymore. I feel completely broken and also so stupid that I have let myself be treated like this for so long. I feel so sorry for the other woman's husband (he's only 22 and seems to have been utterly duped by her and genuinely thinks she is wonderful). I am terrified of being a single parent (especially with no family support) but most importantly, I know I really, really do love this man (in spite of everything). I have been working on myself and am starting to realise that I really struggle to enforce and maintain personal boundaries (physical and emotional).

I know I have been unreasonable in putting up with DH's behaviour and feel very very foolish. Going forward, I want to be stronger and be able to respect myself more, and not put myself in situations where I am not emotionally or physically secure. However, I love him - he is funny and I enjoy his company, we have a long shared history and I believe there is still a good person under there somewhere. I miss him so much when he is not here and find myself torturing myself over and over with the details I know about his affair, trying to make sense of it and trying to understand what I could have done differently. I drive myself mad. I am also financially insecure and do not have a strong support network. I struggle to concentrate at work and I feel like a rubbish parent who is letting my children down for exposing them to this awful situation. I wanted them to grow up with a secure family unit and it hurts to realise how badly I have failed. I struggle to sleep, I am irritable and cry all the time. I feel so ashamed. My stomach plays up seemingly constantly and I get chest pains frequently. Every time I think I have my feet on solid ground, it disintegrates. I feel like I am struggling to tell the difference between what is real in our relationship and what is not.

So I am asking please, never having gone through a break up before, for your best tips on how to stay sane and how to stay strong. How do I enforce my boundaries so that I am protected from further pain? How do I make sure my kids are happy and that I keep my job? How do I stop myself from missing, turning to and relying on this man? How do I stay strong when he is adamant he lives me and wants to be with me? How do I weather the cyclical phases when he blames me for everything and is incredibly nasty? How do I take this forward?

OP posts:
Ihaveasorehead · 31/05/2019 05:19

Just an edit to add that following our conversation last night, I told him I couldn't be with him anymore and that he needs to sort himself out. (I am serious about needing to leave him while he is like this.)

OP posts:
Blondebakingmumma · 31/05/2019 05:46

You know separating is the best thing to do. I am going to be honest. It hurts like hell. The hurt will also be dragged out a while because you will have to have contact for the kids’ sake.
Is there someone else who can do the hand over so you don’t have to see him? I’d get your house keys back, he’s lost the privilege to those. All trust is clearly gone.
You’ll get through the other side and be much happier for it.

TheSerenDipitY · 31/05/2019 05:47

wow... what a cunt he is... didnt want to read n run but ill be back... stay strong

herculepoirot2 · 31/05/2019 05:53

Holy cow. What a creature he is.

The best advice I can give you is to copy and paste this post into the notes section on your phone. Every time - every time - you feel yourself weakening, read it through. Remind yourself of his behaviour, not his qualities. He has shown you who he is. The man you love doesn’t exist.

Starfish28 · 31/05/2019 05:54

I don’t really have any experience of this but didn’t want to read and run. I’m so sorry you are going through this. It sounds incredibly tough. I would just say no one is a monster 100% of the time and your husband sounds utterly vile. Try not to focus on the other women, try to focus on all the ways he has mistreated you and try to find strength from that. I wish you so much luck with trying to figure all this out. But it sounds like you will be much more emotionally stable by stopping being with this man.

Normaknowall · 31/05/2019 05:57

i am so sorry you are in this situation. 💐 It must be terrifying and painful and exhausting all at once.

Your husband may be a good father. He may have good points.
But you have to go past your fear of life without him, natural if you have been wit him him since you were a teenager.

Please consider what life is like with him? You cannot trust him, he has lied repeatedly to you and although he is not being completely fuckwitted in that he is being upfront about adultery now he is still dripfeeding the truth about it and in doing so revealing a consistent lack of respect for you including that list, and in his deeds.

That is him, OP. He is showing you that he can be nasty, particularly when he feels guilty, but that guilt does not drive him to change behaviour, just to kick out at you to minimise his fault in all this. And it is his fault. Not yours. Affairs are a choice. He chose to have an affair, he chose to lie repeatedly. He chose to do what he's doing.

You on the other hand have not chosen this but have tried your hardest to save your marriage and family. Only you know what you can live with but I hope you can see that this behaviour of your husband is not an aberration but is a fundamental part of him and he has shown you what your future with him might be - this behaviour with either the same woman or another one.

And your children probably are devastated and very confused too. I am so sorry for you all.

You sound as if you are doing your best to be constructive in your dealing with your DH but can you leave a key with him? Can children be taken to DHs home instead?

It will be hard to split up, but I can't see that this current uncertainty is going to get better for any of you. the first thing is see a lawyer about what all the implications, finance, the house, custody might look like.

Don't be surprised - check all your the files in the house/computer and see if there are things you don't know about eg bank accounts, as this secretive behaviour of his might be there in other areas of life. Look at the browsing history for bank addresses that aren't your main one. I may be being v suspicious but I would wonder.

Take your time to make the decisions but OP you do need to make them.

I hope you can find friends, or counselling support to talk to. You need to be able to express all those feelings to someone who is on your side.

Whatareyoutalkingabout · 31/05/2019 05:58

Oh my God. This is absolutely horrific. I can't believe what I've just read. You 'D'H is a vile, horrific man. I'm so sorry to say that if you want to move on, you need to understand that although you say you love him, he does NOT love you, nor does he respect you. I have never heard anything as bad as this before - taking OW to pick up your child? Blaming you for the affair? Not only is he a disgusting person but he is totally abusive. You sound weak and vulnerable because you have been with him so long and you have no support network. For the sake of your children, PLEASE don't give this vile human another chance. It sounds like you desperately want to and I really feel for you. But even the times you've said that you appreciated him being "honest" with you, it turns out he wasn't actually being honest - his admissions just keep getting worse and worse. I wonder what else he's done that you don't know about. It's not easy to be independent and it's not easy to be alone but you have to learn, for the sake of your children, who will learn from your behaviour. Please divorce him and reduce your contact to ONLY whatever is totally necessary to parent your children together. He needs to provide maintainance for your children so this will give you a small amount of financial support. I'd also suggest trying to make some friends and extend your support network. Could you try talking to a counsellor as well? You really need someone to talk to because the fact that you're considering remaining with him after his repeated disrespect, after him showing you over and over again how little you mean to him and proving repeatedly that he doesn't love you... it really worries me and I feel like you might allow this to go on or actually give him another chance due to being blinded by your own insecurities / lack of support. Try to be strong. Remember that the ONLY reason he is trying to get with with you is because OW wouldnt have him. He doesn't even care enough about you to be sorry for the affair. He tried to leave you for her but she didn't want him so he's coming crawling back for some security until he can find another woman to go off with. Please put a stop to this now or in the future you'll be so devastated that you put yourself and your kids through this for so long. He will never, ever be who you want him to be. Get away from him.

Also, I'm so sorry. I feel absolutely sick after what I've just read and he's not even my 'D'H. I can't imagine anyone putting me through what he has put you through.

Acrasia · 31/05/2019 06:08

As a child of parents who split up in very similar circumstances when I was 4, I just want to tell you that you are not letting them down, not even a tiny bit.

Wellandtrulyoutnumbered · 31/05/2019 06:10

Keep moving forward with the divorce. You know it's the right thing. The sooner you have your home back the better soon.

Turn off text notifications and try and only converse via email unless he is having contact with kids - on those occasions turn back notifications on. This limits the head space you give it and constantly being on alert.

Work on yourself. Your issues and your development. You can't change his.

malificent7 · 31/05/2019 06:17

He's a bastard...you are well rid.

SinjunRivers · 31/05/2019 06:18

Omg OP, what a bastard he is.
I'm so sorry to hear what you have been through.
I think given the magnitude and continued nature of the lying you have to end it and never ever weaken.
He could have spared you pain by ending the relationship before having an affair if he was unhappy. Then he could have come clean when he was caught but chose to lie that it was not physical etc.
Then to lie again that it was over....words fail me. He doesn't love you.
I'm so so sorry. Please don't fall for anymore of his bullshit.

strawberrisc · 31/05/2019 06:26

I can 100% guarantee that no matter how hard being a single parent can be it doesn't necessarily have to be the hardest thing in the world. What WILL kill your spirit would be to stay in this situation with this piece of filth.

kaldefotter · 31/05/2019 06:37

He's a low life. Please stay strong and move forward with the divorce. You deserve better than to have this cockroach in your life.

Please also change the locks so he can't continue having sex with other women in your home. He shouldn't be allowed in your home, ever.

Oshe · 31/05/2019 06:54

You haven't let down or failed your children. That was all him.

You may love him and enjoy his company but his actions towards you make it clear that he doesn't love or even like you. When he comes around begging for yet another chance you need to remind yourself that this man has and will continue to treat you with total contempt.

Itssosunny · 31/05/2019 07:01

OP, he treats you like shit so badly! He basically has no respect for you and he tells you about his affairs and you still want him back. SadSadSad

Itssosunny · 31/05/2019 07:03

I do really hope you divorce the bastard. He is a disgusting man. I hope everything works in your favour.

BumandChips · 31/05/2019 07:03

He is a vile, abusive and manipulative man.

He isn’t being caring and honest with you, it’s all bullshit. For the sake of you and your children you need to go through with the divorce. As a pp said you may feel like you can’t do this because of your lack of support but you absolutely can. Get some counselling for yourself. You have to let go your fear of not being with him, which of course is hard, but you can do it and come out the other side. Prove it to yourself.

Itssosunny · 31/05/2019 07:06

OP, please ignore my first post as I replied too soon.

petrocellihouse · 31/05/2019 07:06

The thing is, you are not in love with him. You are in love with what you thought was him, and the persona he presented to you. This was false. He has now revealed just how cruel and selfish he can be. I can guarantee that you will get over this. It will take time and a lot of healing, but you will come through it stronger, wiser and if you wish, able to find someone who cares enough about you not to behave like he has. Someone who will cherish, love and respect you. You will find the strength from somewhere I am sure, but in the meantime, look for other ways for him to have access to the children if at all possible. Sending lots of positive thoughts and a massive hug your way.

lotusbell · 31/05/2019 07:06

What herculepoirot said. A d please, please, please to yourself that this is not your fault- you are not the unreasonable one. From what I have read, you have tried. You've actually tried harder and a lot longer than you should've needed to, but you can hold your head up high knowing you put the effort into making this marriage work. He not only hasn't tried, he hasn't wanted to try. Just keep reminding yourself that you did what you could.

babbi · 31/05/2019 07:07

Rushing to work now but will be back ..
It will hurt like hell but you need to leave him ... take care

Walkaround · 31/05/2019 07:08

Ihaveasorehead - your dh doesn't love you, he doesn't respect you, he looks down on you. It's really not difficult to leave someone like that. You don't need any tips, just remind yourself he gets off on debasing you and making you look and feel pathetic and weak. You are worth far more than that. Stop giving him sexual gratification by going back for repeated kickings.

XXcstatic · 31/05/2019 07:08

So sorry about what you have been through, OP. It's going to be hard now, but you are young and have many decades of life to enjoy without this twunt. Leaving him is the first step to a happy future for you and your DC. Good luck Flowers

Theworldisfullofgs · 31/05/2019 07:11

He's a shit. You deserve better and it will be better for your children in the end. (He has no intention of changing and that's your measure and you cant change him.)
You asked how you get through this - small steps. Zorro circles. Focus on small things that you can control - it will help. Do it hour by hour if need be. When things are really difficult for me I go down to hourly goals and it really helps.
By the way your councillor was an idiot.

TestingTestingWonTooFree · 31/05/2019 07:17

You have given him so many chances and he’s thrown it back in your face. He will never change. He’s a complete arsehole. You deserve so much better.

Can you try and do the Freedom Programme? It might help you think more clearly about his behaviour?

I’d change his name on my phone to an acronym that the children didn’t understand but reminded me that he was a lying, abusive piece of shit.