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Husband's affair

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Ihaveasorehead · 31/05/2019 05:09

Okay, so not really an AIBU post but rather "I have been unreasonable and now I need to fix it post". So I am in my late 20s, have been with DH for 12 years and married for 10. We have 2 children aged 5 and 6. DH has been my only partner, I have no real family support - he has been my emotional support and best friend for many years and I genuinely do love him. I found out a year ago that DH was having an emotional affair with a work colleague. He promised to end it and we went to counselling. A couple of months later, I discovered he was still seeing her. He gave me a 15 point list of why the affair was my fault. I was devastated - these were really personal issues relating to my childhood (he says I am damaged and no one will want me), my weight (I am a size 12), my best friend and the fact that I had the audacity to shock horror work (the same number of hours he did, I might add). The other woman had, without my knowledge, been introduced to our children and had even assisted DH in picking the little one up from nursery. I felt sick to my stomach and like I had been replaced in every way. My initial reaction was to end it, however, in counselling we talked it over and I decided I could deal with it provided that the affair really had ended. It bothered me a lot during this time that DH was never really remorseful, however our counsellor suggested he may not be ready to feel remorse and to stick with it, work on his issues and essentially "put a pin in" my need to deal with the affair. It wasn't easy but I did that and there was a real improvement. The other woman left to work elsewhere, married her partner and DH eventually started to try and engage with my feelings about the affair. There was a brief period where I really felt it was working.

All of a sudden, about 7 months after my initial discovery, he started blaming me again for the affair and it turned out that it had restarted. He quit couples counselling and left me for the other woman (who ultimately decided to stay with her own husband). DH was remorseful and would come round crying and begging for another chance, saying he was suicidal etc. and thay he really loved me. I really wanted to make it work, I was worried about him, and, although he stayed living elsewhere, we continued to have a relationship albeit at a distance. The other woman got in touch with me, apologising, swearing they hadn't had sex and telling me it was over. (Her husband is staying with her - she seems to have told him that my DH threatened her into being with him and that she was "terrified" of DH. I don't believe that and she as good as admitted to me that she had spun her husband a line.) I told other woman that I forgave her, that she had not made any vows to me, that it sounded like she had a lot of issues that I sympathised with, but ultimately was quite forceful in asking her not to contact me again.

DH promised me the affair was over, that they had never had sex etc. He said he was at a low point but ultimately has gone on to make positive changes such as getting a job he enjoys and voluntarily attending counselling himself. We continued to have a relationship but again, at a distance.

Last month, he told me that he and other woman had sex together multiple times (including unprotected oral sex) including in my home, but swearing it was never in my bed. I booked an STD check and was completely and utterly devastated, however I was encouraged that, for the first time, he was being honest with me off his own back. I took the step of starting looking at a divorce and he told me other woman had agreed to sign an affadvait admitting everything (allowing me to get a divorce on the basis of adultery). I paid the fees, and he assured me he would sign an affadavit although he loved me and wanted to make it work, but ultimately the other woman changed her mind about singing her affadavit. Fortunately, DH sent me screenshots of messages from her admitting to adultery with him that I can use as evidence instead. For the first time, DH seemed to be taking full responsibility and was very caring and attentive to my needs. Although I continued looking into the divorce, I had hoped that his honesty was a sign that we could make it work.

Last night, DH told me he has been seeing other woman up until a month ago, that they had been having sex in his house and that he has been having sex with her in my bed and in my house (unfortunately he has to retain a set of keys to my flat since my work pattern means he comes round to take over childcare while kids are sleeping). I feel violated that he put me at risk of STDs and my privacy feels utterly non-existent, especially thinking of her with my husband in my bed or with my kids. It also turns out that they have been seeing one another and having sex at times when I had been told the relationship between them was over.

I feel utterly worn down by the situation and know I just cannot take it anymore. I feel completely broken and also so stupid that I have let myself be treated like this for so long. I feel so sorry for the other woman's husband (he's only 22 and seems to have been utterly duped by her and genuinely thinks she is wonderful). I am terrified of being a single parent (especially with no family support) but most importantly, I know I really, really do love this man (in spite of everything). I have been working on myself and am starting to realise that I really struggle to enforce and maintain personal boundaries (physical and emotional).

I know I have been unreasonable in putting up with DH's behaviour and feel very very foolish. Going forward, I want to be stronger and be able to respect myself more, and not put myself in situations where I am not emotionally or physically secure. However, I love him - he is funny and I enjoy his company, we have a long shared history and I believe there is still a good person under there somewhere. I miss him so much when he is not here and find myself torturing myself over and over with the details I know about his affair, trying to make sense of it and trying to understand what I could have done differently. I drive myself mad. I am also financially insecure and do not have a strong support network. I struggle to concentrate at work and I feel like a rubbish parent who is letting my children down for exposing them to this awful situation. I wanted them to grow up with a secure family unit and it hurts to realise how badly I have failed. I struggle to sleep, I am irritable and cry all the time. I feel so ashamed. My stomach plays up seemingly constantly and I get chest pains frequently. Every time I think I have my feet on solid ground, it disintegrates. I feel like I am struggling to tell the difference between what is real in our relationship and what is not.

So I am asking please, never having gone through a break up before, for your best tips on how to stay sane and how to stay strong. How do I enforce my boundaries so that I am protected from further pain? How do I make sure my kids are happy and that I keep my job? How do I stop myself from missing, turning to and relying on this man? How do I stay strong when he is adamant he lives me and wants to be with me? How do I weather the cyclical phases when he blames me for everything and is incredibly nasty? How do I take this forward?

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Onescaredmuma · 31/05/2019 07:21

Oh wow op that was actually painful to read what an awful situation to find yourself in. I would normally say if you still love someone you can make anything work but in this case I say run for the hills. He is damaging you every time you take him back or show him trust he betrays you. You seem to have found your inner strength though, please stay strong you and your kids will be fine he will certainly regret what he has done one day.

wonderinwhy · 31/05/2019 07:21

This is not your fault. You’ve done nothing wrong. You can survive without him. He had sex in your bed after lying about it. He’s breached every single trust you’ve given him. How utterly awful. Now is the time to be strong and get rid of him out of your life. You and your kids deserve better than this. Can you get a different job so that he doesn’t need access to your house? I’d say that’s the first thing that needs sorting. He’s utterly vile and can’t be trusted. Do not sleep with him again as he could give you anything! File for divorce too. ASAP. It’s also time to enforce boundaries. If you are on a night shift then he should have the kids overnight at his house. He shouldn’t be allowed any more access to your house.

wonderinwhy · 31/05/2019 07:22

Keep posting on here and we will all support you

lasttimeround · 31/05/2019 07:28

Your husband is nasty. Really horribly mean and awful. Your counsellor was totally useless.
You miss and love the man you thought he was. It's not who he is, it's a facade. The way he hurts you is not a slip up or a lapse of judgement. Hes done it repeatedly.
Time and distance heals. You'll regroup. But keep him from messing with you and from keeping you on his back burner as a backup when his options dry up by not engaging with him beyond the practical. Be gentle with yourself minimise shame and blame. All you did was believe and trust someone. That's nothing to be ashamed of. Hes the one who deceived and abused your trust. Being dependent on him financially happens to many women when they have children. Again no shame in it. You'll work that out in time.

Ihaveasorehead · 31/05/2019 07:30

Thank you all very much for your support. I really appreciate it (and also just the opportunity to get it all down on paper and out of my head). I am going to look at alternative solutions regarding childcare (unfortunately the kids are asleep when he arrives so I can go to work - 6am and we don't have friends or neighbours as we moved to our current town to be close to his work and that meant leaving friends behind). I am also genuinely going to try to be stronger and not let myself be walked over again.

Acrasia, thank you, that means a lot.

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Namastbae · 31/05/2019 07:34

It's not you torturing yourself OP - he is torturing you. Witholding information and then drip feeding it to you bit by bit just so that he can relief his conscience, not caring the agony it causes you.
I think this situation will end in the same way whatever you do - it just depends whether you want to get the worst bit out of the way now or prolong the agony a little longer.
My heart goes out to you. You've done nothing to deserve this. It is him who should be feeling guilt, shame, worry and a jot of responsibility - not you.
You will be OK. Go through with the divorce, endure the tough bit and you will come out the other side with your self esteem and freedom.Flowers

BookwormMe2 · 31/05/2019 07:35

Well done for finding the strength to post on MN for advice - it must've been hard, but it shows how serious you are about sorting this awful situation out. None of this is of your doing - writing a 15 pt letter about why the affair was your fault? What a bastard. That alone should tell you what a vile, manipulative bully your H is.

For the next day or so, think only in practical terms: gather all the paperwork for your finances (good tip from PP about checking for hidden bank accounts), book an appointment to see a solicitor, decide how you want custody to work for now until a permanent plan is established. Definitely turn off his text notifications and only deal with him by email regarding the children. Make it clear he cannot come and go from the house whenever he likes - change the locks if necessary. Confide in a trusted colleague about what's going on, so if you are struggling at work you have some support there.

Hard as it is, you need take the emotion out of the practical stuff. Teflon your heart. Your H has spent years abusing you emotionally and will continue to do so. Once you get through the next few days sorting this stuff out, you will feel so much stronger. Plus, get angry! You're allowed to! He's treated you appallingly and made a total mockery of your marriage. He's hurt your poor children. Him, not you.

Oh, and I agree with other PP. Your counsellor needs being struck off. Their advice that your H 'could put a pin in' him dealing with how the affair hurt you is shockingly bad.

Grumpos · 31/05/2019 07:36

This is one of the worst relationship posts I’ve seen on here in years OP, I’m really sorry for what you have been through and continuing to deal with Flowers

If you are not still seeing a counsellor then I think you would really benefit from it (I mean YOU not you and ex!!!).
I was going through counselling for an unrelated matter when I found out about my ex’s affair and we split, it helped a tremendous amount, I wouldn’t have got through it as quickly and absolutely as I did otherwise. So if you can, get that support in place now.
I have no practical advice as we had no children and very little to sort practically.
But emotionally, you will get through it. You will come out the other side and live a fantastic, happy life. When you look back at this treatment and your relationship in years to come you won’t feel the way you do now, it will pass and you will find happiness on
The other side.
Good luck

BookwormMe2 · 31/05/2019 07:37

Just seen your update - start investigating ways you and the children could move back to the town where your friends and support network are. Good luck! Flowers

Ceebs85 · 31/05/2019 07:38

What a vile man.

He's seen a vulnerability in you and played on it to have his cake and eat it too. If he cared about you at all he couldn't treat you with such distain.
He's not remorseful, he never will be. The claiming he's suicidal will have been emotional blackmail in a panic that he was going to lose you.

He's not a nice man, not underneath anything. A nice man wouldn't be capable of treating anyone like that, let alone someone he claims to love.

I really think that you need to seek some counselling on your own (maybe through relate) to look at the reasons you've willingly allowed yourself to repeatedly be treated like this. You don't love him, not at all. You love the idea of what you want him to be. He is not that.

C0untDucku1a · 31/05/2019 07:42

It sounds like you want a future with him still??? Dont. He is a wanker. Also he didnt finakky admit the affair for gonesty. He did it because you were moving on from it and he wanted to keep hurting you. He is awful.

dottiedodah · 31/05/2019 07:57

Probably not how you feel right now,but you are well rid of him I think.You are young and have your whole life ahead of you to meet someone else (If you want to).At the moment you feel very vulnerable (with good reason).Do you have any friends or family you could stay with just for a few days ? just so you and the children can have a break .God bless you and try to take each day as it comes xx

ConcreteFarmer · 31/05/2019 08:10

I wanted them to grow up with a secure family unit and it hurts to realise how badly I have failed.

He failed, not you.
Is this cheating and sex with another woman while the kids are home, really a secure family unit? No! So get divorced.
This isn't fair on the kids.

I've been in this situation. (Met DH at 18, im currently 31. Kids. DV, physical affair, emotional affair.)
Still struggling to work through it.
I understand wanting to take him back, but please dont. Give the kids some stability by being co-parents but seperately & divorced.

FrenchBoule · 31/05/2019 08:10

I only read till “he gave me a list why it was my fault” and my mouth literally dropped.
OP, your husband is absolutely despicable. Hope you’ll find the way to set yourself free from this vile creature that sucks all the joys of family life.
You’re young, don’t waste your life any longer with this vile specimen. Wishing you strength💐💐💐

ChuckleBuckles · 31/05/2019 08:23

@Ihaveasorehead If you ever start to waiver and think that you need or want this man back in your life, just remember this

He had sex with strangers and put you at risk of sti's which can be fatal, he did that to the mother of his children. He was willing to risk the life of one of the most important people in his children's lives to get his kicks. He is not a good man

I would recommend the blog "Chump Lady" for support, it is excellent, I would also recommend her book "Leave a cheater, gain a life"

Keep a journal. In that way you can track your ups and downs and can spot what slows your recovery and what speeds it up.

Try to get some quality sleep, eat well and exercise if you can, it does help to clear your mind.

Start exploring the life you want to live, would you consider a move closer to family or friends for support, and finally know that you have not failed your children, you can hold your head up high and move forward in dignity.

FatherDickByrne · 31/05/2019 08:30

Life is long, OP, and one day, you’ll look back and be so glad you ended this, your first relationship. You won’t believe you put up with so much abuse and you’ll thank your lucky stars you walked away.

I think you’re a victim of coercive control and you need to seek counselling and support to help you escape and build a new life. It will take time but the rewards will be infinite. You are worth so much more than this!

flobella · 31/05/2019 08:33

He is a dreadful human being. You are not. It is incredibly hard right now but in a few years you will look back on this time in your life and be completely delighted that you left him. I don’t care about his ‘issues,’ he is just a selfish, horrible person and your life will be better without him. You will also be setting the tone for your children’s future relationships - you are teaching them they should never put up with being treated badly by a spouse.

Investigate moving to an area with a better support network that suits YOU and get the divorce papers signed. Yes this is hard but imagine the relief of never having to worry about what he is up to behind your back. I can also say from experience that whatever he has told you is probably only 10% of what he has actually done.

There are lots of men out there who are nice, funny, who you can build up a history with. You don’t need this man at all. Don’t communicate with him at all except to arrange contact for the children and to sort out the divorce. You can do this, I promise you xx

Mummyoftwo91 · 31/05/2019 08:42

You need to leave him op, he's never going to change

TheSerenDipitY · 31/05/2019 08:57

giving you a list of why it is your fault he cheated..... wow he really thinks hes "all that and a bag of chips" dont he?
every single thing he is doing is abusive and manipulative, hes trying to make you think that you are worth nothing so you will welcome him back and accept what ever shit hes offering.....
BUT
you KNOW better, you know you are a loving and caring wife and mother, you are honest and doing your best in the situation you have suddenly found yourself, you have tried to fix the problems with forgiveness and counseling, YOU HAVE TRIED, when he wanted his freedom you willingly gave it to him.... its unfortunate for him that you have just started to understand that you have VALUE, not just as a hard working mother, but as a person, as a woman, that his leaving and treating you like you are disposable, is actually opening your eyes and finely letting you see beyond his bullshit, finely seeing that you deserve happiness, your children deserve a happy home and its not a home that can include him...
every single time you feel down, read this thread, tell yourself "IM WORTH IT!" yes just like a L'Oreal ad "IM WORTH IT AND I WONT ACCEPT BEING TREATED BADLY EVER AGAIN, IM WORTH IT"
you can and will do this, and you will succeed, WITHOUT HIM! because once you start to believe you do deserve better you will start finding better, ad start getting better... so dont back down keep saying it... OUTLOUD, yell it if you have to " IM WORTH IT!!!!!!"

TheSerenDipitY · 31/05/2019 09:03

oh and

when you feel yourself starting to listen to him and his fake ass apologies and promises, come here and post again, and again, and again, and again, and again etc etc
tell us all again what hes done and what hes said to you, we will tell you the truth, and i think by just writing it down you will find your strength to stand up to him and say NO to him

IM WORTH IT

Pk37 · 31/05/2019 09:04

He is disgusting.
Owning up does not undo what he’s done , he took this other woman to pick up your child, blames you for everything and kept going behind your back.
Once you truly realise you are just his safety net and that he’ll never be the husband you deserve then hopefully you can grow a back bone and stop issuing him as an emotional crutch.
He is no good for you or your children .
I’m honestly shocked anyone would put up with this , once maybe .. but repeatedly with the same woman? No , just no

cakecakecheese · 31/05/2019 09:06

Oh bloody hell this is just awful. He presented you with a list of 'reasons' for the affair?! Trust me there's only one reason: He's a scumbag. It may not feel like it now but you will be so much better off without this vile manipulator. I'm concerned about your lack of support network nearby is there anyone who can come stay with you for a bit?

PeoniesarePink · 31/05/2019 09:12

Lovey, this man is a pig. He has no respect for you, and will do this over and over again.

Set yourself free.

Theoscargoesto · 31/05/2019 09:13

I have experienced a little of what you have in that my H had an affair. However, he did not mess with my head or blame me the way your H has done.

YOU have not trashed your marriage. YOU have done nothing, at all, to be ashamed of. I say these words to you knowing that this is the truth, but at the same time I struggle to believe them when applied to me! I suspect you will feel the same: but if someone told that story to you, not about you, what would you say?

What;s helped me is counselling to understand why I was so happy with receiving so little from my H, why I didn't understand that I deserved more, and better, from someone who professed to love me. Maybe you could start there also. It;s hard to say, no more. But reading about your circumstances, I truly hope you can find the strength to say, no more. I deserve better. And you really do!!

spellingtest · 31/05/2019 09:17

OP, you have taken a huge step by posting this. You are acknowledging his appalling behaviour. And it is appalling. If this was happening to a friend what advice would you give them? Would you stand by a friend and encourage her to be continually treated like this. If you can detach yourself from this (easier said than done) it will help. It's being emotionally involved that complicates matters

Someone earlier in the thread suggested concentrating on practical matters. I think this is great advice. As hard as it is try and remove the emotion from this and work on practical matters and if you tell yourself you are doing this for your children's future that may help.

He is guilty of so much and it appears he can't change as his behaviour pattern seems to be on loop. I had an ex who threatened suicide and that smacks. It's terrifying however I now realise that he was turning his anger and frustration at being outed as a horrid person and trying to make me feel guilty. I now look back at that episode of my life and wish I could have seen it for what it was but I was too emotionally invested at the time. He is equally blaming you to mask his behaviour as your fault rather than blaming himself which he should.

You have your whole life ahead of you. I absolutely PROMISE you that when you get through this you will look back on it and breathe a sigh of relief that you divorced him. He will continue to do this to other women. He has zero respect for you and to give you a list of why it is your fault is abhorrent.

Men can be shits at times but there are many, many fantastic men out there. I moved on and have met a wonderful man who I trust implicitly and my only bug bear with him is leaving the loo seat up! My life is happy and calm. I don't wake up with a sinking feeling. Your physical health is suffering too. Don't let him do this to do.

It's going to be tough, really tough but you have to stay strong and focussed for the sake on your children too. You can absolutely do this. And you must.

We are all here for you. Keep posting. One step at a time. And it's ok to cry too. The day you start to feel angry things will get better.

Good luck. We are here.