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Husband's affair

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Ihaveasorehead · 31/05/2019 05:09

Okay, so not really an AIBU post but rather "I have been unreasonable and now I need to fix it post". So I am in my late 20s, have been with DH for 12 years and married for 10. We have 2 children aged 5 and 6. DH has been my only partner, I have no real family support - he has been my emotional support and best friend for many years and I genuinely do love him. I found out a year ago that DH was having an emotional affair with a work colleague. He promised to end it and we went to counselling. A couple of months later, I discovered he was still seeing her. He gave me a 15 point list of why the affair was my fault. I was devastated - these were really personal issues relating to my childhood (he says I am damaged and no one will want me), my weight (I am a size 12), my best friend and the fact that I had the audacity to shock horror work (the same number of hours he did, I might add). The other woman had, without my knowledge, been introduced to our children and had even assisted DH in picking the little one up from nursery. I felt sick to my stomach and like I had been replaced in every way. My initial reaction was to end it, however, in counselling we talked it over and I decided I could deal with it provided that the affair really had ended. It bothered me a lot during this time that DH was never really remorseful, however our counsellor suggested he may not be ready to feel remorse and to stick with it, work on his issues and essentially "put a pin in" my need to deal with the affair. It wasn't easy but I did that and there was a real improvement. The other woman left to work elsewhere, married her partner and DH eventually started to try and engage with my feelings about the affair. There was a brief period where I really felt it was working.

All of a sudden, about 7 months after my initial discovery, he started blaming me again for the affair and it turned out that it had restarted. He quit couples counselling and left me for the other woman (who ultimately decided to stay with her own husband). DH was remorseful and would come round crying and begging for another chance, saying he was suicidal etc. and thay he really loved me. I really wanted to make it work, I was worried about him, and, although he stayed living elsewhere, we continued to have a relationship albeit at a distance. The other woman got in touch with me, apologising, swearing they hadn't had sex and telling me it was over. (Her husband is staying with her - she seems to have told him that my DH threatened her into being with him and that she was "terrified" of DH. I don't believe that and she as good as admitted to me that she had spun her husband a line.) I told other woman that I forgave her, that she had not made any vows to me, that it sounded like she had a lot of issues that I sympathised with, but ultimately was quite forceful in asking her not to contact me again.

DH promised me the affair was over, that they had never had sex etc. He said he was at a low point but ultimately has gone on to make positive changes such as getting a job he enjoys and voluntarily attending counselling himself. We continued to have a relationship but again, at a distance.

Last month, he told me that he and other woman had sex together multiple times (including unprotected oral sex) including in my home, but swearing it was never in my bed. I booked an STD check and was completely and utterly devastated, however I was encouraged that, for the first time, he was being honest with me off his own back. I took the step of starting looking at a divorce and he told me other woman had agreed to sign an affadvait admitting everything (allowing me to get a divorce on the basis of adultery). I paid the fees, and he assured me he would sign an affadavit although he loved me and wanted to make it work, but ultimately the other woman changed her mind about singing her affadavit. Fortunately, DH sent me screenshots of messages from her admitting to adultery with him that I can use as evidence instead. For the first time, DH seemed to be taking full responsibility and was very caring and attentive to my needs. Although I continued looking into the divorce, I had hoped that his honesty was a sign that we could make it work.

Last night, DH told me he has been seeing other woman up until a month ago, that they had been having sex in his house and that he has been having sex with her in my bed and in my house (unfortunately he has to retain a set of keys to my flat since my work pattern means he comes round to take over childcare while kids are sleeping). I feel violated that he put me at risk of STDs and my privacy feels utterly non-existent, especially thinking of her with my husband in my bed or with my kids. It also turns out that they have been seeing one another and having sex at times when I had been told the relationship between them was over.

I feel utterly worn down by the situation and know I just cannot take it anymore. I feel completely broken and also so stupid that I have let myself be treated like this for so long. I feel so sorry for the other woman's husband (he's only 22 and seems to have been utterly duped by her and genuinely thinks she is wonderful). I am terrified of being a single parent (especially with no family support) but most importantly, I know I really, really do love this man (in spite of everything). I have been working on myself and am starting to realise that I really struggle to enforce and maintain personal boundaries (physical and emotional).

I know I have been unreasonable in putting up with DH's behaviour and feel very very foolish. Going forward, I want to be stronger and be able to respect myself more, and not put myself in situations where I am not emotionally or physically secure. However, I love him - he is funny and I enjoy his company, we have a long shared history and I believe there is still a good person under there somewhere. I miss him so much when he is not here and find myself torturing myself over and over with the details I know about his affair, trying to make sense of it and trying to understand what I could have done differently. I drive myself mad. I am also financially insecure and do not have a strong support network. I struggle to concentrate at work and I feel like a rubbish parent who is letting my children down for exposing them to this awful situation. I wanted them to grow up with a secure family unit and it hurts to realise how badly I have failed. I struggle to sleep, I am irritable and cry all the time. I feel so ashamed. My stomach plays up seemingly constantly and I get chest pains frequently. Every time I think I have my feet on solid ground, it disintegrates. I feel like I am struggling to tell the difference between what is real in our relationship and what is not.

So I am asking please, never having gone through a break up before, for your best tips on how to stay sane and how to stay strong. How do I enforce my boundaries so that I am protected from further pain? How do I make sure my kids are happy and that I keep my job? How do I stop myself from missing, turning to and relying on this man? How do I stay strong when he is adamant he lives me and wants to be with me? How do I weather the cyclical phases when he blames me for everything and is incredibly nasty? How do I take this forward?

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ControversialFerret · 31/05/2019 09:19

This man is so sexually incontinent that he's brought the OW to fuck her in your bed, when you don't live together anymore.

He's a complete fucking turd. He's cruel, untrustworthy and and an out-and-out liar.

Divorce.

If childcare is an issue could you move back to your original town where your friends are?

Whatnotea · 31/05/2019 09:24

You are strong & I can hear that from your post.
Protect yourselves and protect your children.

An emotional affair I could forgive but emotional torture in what he is saying to you is totally unacceptable.

You are going to be OK and life will be good. Deep breath you can do this.

goodgirlinchachaheels · 31/05/2019 09:28

Just thought I'd stop to say: Your husband having an affair is NEVER, EVER, EVER your fault. Bin the bastard, stay strong.

Outanabout · 31/05/2019 09:29

I was devastated when I found my husband was having an affair. He said it ended, but would never apologise for the hurt he caused because 'we need to move on, apologising is going backward'. I really struggled to deal with the hurt, and said I'd stay only if I never had to check up on him, that I couldn't live my life being suspicious. Hahaha.

Eight years later it became impossible not to see that he was having an affair again. He said it was my fault because I'd never got over the previous one, and made him feel guilty. It had been going on a year. I left.

A few years later his now wife bragged (in public) that she'd been the woman in the first affair, and it had never ended in the intervening years.

The pain and betrayal was indescribable. He told me, highly indignant, "but I told you as soon as I was sure!" So I wasted ten years of my life, not knowing I was being measured all the time and compared to another woman who was meeting him in romantic locations, looking and smelling glamorous, not surrounded by laundry and children's toys.

That's the reality that's ahead of you, OP. There is no happy ending for you, just for him.

spellingtest · 31/05/2019 09:35

So I am asking please, never having gone through a break up before, for your best tips on how to stay sane and how to stay strong. How do I enforce my boundaries so that I am protected from further pain? How do I make sure my kids are happy and that I keep my job? How do I stop myself from missing, turning to and relying on this man? How do I stay strong when he is adamant he lives me and wants to be with me? How do I weather the cyclical phases when he blames me for everything and is incredibly nasty? How do I take this forward?

Stay strong and sane? Remove the emotion, imagine if it was happening up a friend, what advice would you give

Enforce boundaries? communicate via email only to arrange child access. Keep it factual, not emotional

Keep kids happy - happy mum, happy kids. They deserve a mum to be happy.

Keep my job - talk to HR and or confide in a colleague.

Stop missing/turning to/relying on this man. The emotional part won't disappear over night but you must keep reminding yourself what he has done and you deserve better. No one deserves to be treated like this. Imagine if one of your children was at the receiving end of this, what would you say to them?

Adamant he wants to be with me. He doesn't. His behaviour is on loop. He doesn't have anyone else and because he has treated you badly before knows he can do it again and will be forgiven. It's emotional blackmail and he's very skilled at it. Remind yourself what he's done. You don't treat someone like that if you love them. He is not worthy of your love and he is delaying your ability to move on and be happy.

Weather this phase when he blames you. Get angry. Get really angry at the injustice of his appalling behaviour and get out.

Take this forward - concentrate on practicalities. One step at a time. And keep posting.

I know I had answered before but then was aware you had asked very specific questions at the end of your post which I wanted to address so my posts may appear a tad repetitive.

MumW · 31/05/2019 09:35

Maybe Women's Aid could provide you with some support.
Long term, could you move back to where your friends are?

Dof6 · 31/05/2019 09:38

He wanted his cake and chocolate! You don't know what you have until it's gone and once was enough for you to deal with him coming back, but to blame you was childish. It is his decision to do what he did without thought for you and the children.
You were brave going through counselling and facing the hard truth. Give yourself a break, you have done superbly well and deserve someone who can treat you like the only woman in the world.

kateandme · 31/05/2019 09:39

oh luv you sound so tired and worn down.worn down by him!this is not your fault.this is not your fault.
all this time as ive read your post you just seem to get more and more strung out.exhausted with the too ing and fro ing and manipulating.people who love you dont do what he did at the very start.never mind the shit he contineued to do.and that desnt say anything about you it purely shows what a shithead he is.you dont deserve how he treated you.noone does.this is ON HIM.
Think of if someone did this to one of your kiddies.wht would you think.how would you feel.fierce?protective?angry?fighting their corner? now you need to get those feeling and centre them inwards towards yourself.be gentle bekind but be a fighter and take your life back
all this you feel now is becasue of him.
how freeing could it be if nyou didnt feel this pain everyday.that will happen when he goes.
it wont be easy.it will require strength.but youve got that.youve been through so much.youve fought so hard to do the right thing.now use that fight to get you back.to get a life that you can be happy and lvoe and adored in.
and this wanker face will soon be very lonely.becasue you cant reat people like this.and he will try and worm his way and crawl back.DO NOT LET HIM.respect yourself and your family and move on.
it will be so hard for a while but look into making those little pockets of joy again.little works.little bits hobbies and playing and fun.even sitting in the sun without the constant fear and worry of what hes doing or who he is with or if hes lying.you will be free.

Antonin · 31/05/2019 09:42

Don’t waste any more time in this hellish limbo OP. Every time you have bravely fought your way back he has hit you with another revelation etc.
Before your DC make strong bonds in the local area move back to your home town where you have support. Consult your Solicitor re this and possibly transferring your divorce action to another solicitor in that area. Make a completely new start in the place you know and where there are supports.
It will hurt but in the long run will be worth it. I once read that in some ways it’s easier to be widowed than divorced and I found that to be true. Not to belittle the tragic pain of those who had a good marriage but society is kinder and more supportive to the widowed and there is not the nasty messy relationship with the ex to work through and augments around custody and access.
You have tried your very best to be a good wife and mother and have nothing to reproach yourself for. Head up and look forward to a bright future

Looking4wards · 31/05/2019 09:42

I'm sorry to read this OP. I'm sad but also very angry on your behalf.

There are people that have forgiven their partners for having affairs. Yes some have made it work and built a stronger relationship. BUT I bet NONE of those cheating partners turned it around and made it their OH's fault for having an affair. That level of unwilling to take responsibility for his own actions, the pointing of the finger, the pass the blame all means one thing - that he has no respect for you and can only think of himself.
And just think, you stay now, what is to stop him from having another one, and another, and another?

You mentioned that you moved to be near his work. Is it possible to move back so you can be close to your family/friends? A support network could be so invaluable.

Snowfalling · 31/05/2019 09:46

I second everything everyone else on this thread has said.

Also, this isn't just an affair, this is emotional and psychological abuse, and manipulation of the highest degree from the person who you've invested everything in and therefore has the greatest power to hurt you. You're still seeing him as the person you fell in love with. You need to change your lenses.

Once you see him as your abuser and manipulator, you will be stronger in leaving him.

And your counsellor was an utterly incompetent piece of crap. Please go for ounselling on your own, but with a different one.
Sending you hugs and strength x

Allhailthesun · 31/05/2019 09:49

Dreadful man.

It’s going to be tough but you are at least young and you still have the peak career years to come. At some point you will have done more years without him than with him and he will be part of your story not your present.

I think many women go through some sort of emotional devastation at some point. You are not alone.

wonkidonki · 31/05/2019 09:49

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ReanimatedSGB · 31/05/2019 10:02

He is a spectacularly horrible man. While many people find monogamy doesn't work for them and therefore have affairs (or, if they are goodhearted, work out that they are not monogamous and therefore don't allow anyone they are involved with to expect monogamy from them.)
This prick is the sort who enjoys being unfaithful. He likes the fact that the women he has sex with are always anxious, desperate and insecure, because he works to make them feel that way. His self-image is of a man who is so irresistible that a woman will put up with any old crap just to keep him in her life, and yet he despises all women and likes to punish them for, well, being female.

ControversialFerret · 31/05/2019 10:04

A good person doesn't cheat on their partner.

A good person doesn't lie to their partner.

A good person doesn't jeopardise their partner's health by having unprotected sex with strangers and carrying on sleeping with their partner.

A good person doesn't use access to their Ex's house as an opportunity to fuck someone else in their Ex's bed.

A good person doesn't have an affair and then present their partner with a list of reasons why it was their partner's fault.

A good person doesn't tell their partner that they are damaged goods and that nobody else will want them.

ControversialFerret · 31/05/2019 10:06

He is NOT a good person.

He is a liar, and a cheat, and a manipulative bully who occasionally manages to behave well.

You think he's a good person who sometimes does shit things. He's actually a shit person who sometimes does good things - see the difference?

Justaboy · 31/05/2019 10:14

Get yourself a Good Solicitor you do not need anything signed by the OW at all he's been more then unreasonable for divorce grounds.

Give up on this POS its buggered, and won't come right you need as they say to get the big girl pants on and do as soon as you feel up to it to bring the legal guns to bear on him!

So sorry to read of what you have suffered:(

Chiochan · 31/05/2019 10:27

This guy is compleatly toxic and will never stop tormenting you. If you want to stay sane your only choice is to distance yourself as much as divorce laws will allow.
The pain of a breakup can be extreme but just trust that time and distance really do heal all. They really do I promise.

TheRealShatParp · 31/05/2019 10:30

Ah man, your husband sounds like a disgusting human being.

The man is a master manipulator and absolutely cannot be trusted. I doubt he has ever been remorseful, just feigning remorse when he realised he may end up with nothing. He’s a piece of shit.

You’re worth so much more than this and you will realise that one day. Despite him telling you that no one else would want you that most certainly is not true.

It will be tough to start with but you will be better for it in the end. You will be happier and more confident for your children and setting a good example.

I’m sorry you’re going through this. It sounds really fucking rough.

Handletree · 31/05/2019 10:37

I can't get my head around the fact that you've managed to type all of that out so calmly and even point out what you think are his good points and the fact that you still love him... When he brought another woman into your home and fucked her in your bed! Not your shared home, just your personal one. Wtf?! It is so disgusting. You need to get some anger! I feel really angry having read that and I don't know him. There is no way it wasn't intentional. It sounds like a huge "fuck you" from both of them, like they're getting off on disrespecting you and your home. Can you imagine ever in a million years going through the thought processes and discussions needed to get to the point where they have both gained entry to somebody else's bedroom and going ahead with it all? It's mental. And he has involved your children in this?? You need some help to spot what a good man really looks like because this isn't it.

ohfourfoxache · 31/05/2019 10:38

Useful list of documents to collect here - under what to include in your safety packing list x

www.womenshealth.gov/relationships-and-safety/domestic-violence/leaving-abusive-relationship

Handletree · 31/05/2019 10:41

Just realised I didn't answer your question, I also think you need to look at options for moving back to where your support network are and telling them what has happened. And look into the freedom programme/counselling for yourself. You don't even sound shocked when you are describing these events, you sound resigned to this situation. You need to tell people in real life and let their reactions show you just how shocking and awful all of this is because you sound like you might get back together with him!

3dogs2cats · 31/05/2019 10:42

Hi
I am so sorry you have had this to deal with. You sound like a lovely caring person. You deserve so much better.
For whatever reason, this man wants to punish you for his bad behaviour. That only works if you allow it. Please please confine your communication to childcare arrangements. Do not allow him to torture you with details of his affair. Just don’t react beyond a death stare.
Buy new bedding though.
Be prepared that if he can’t torture you with his sexual infidelities, he may become very unreliable about childcare., it may be that you need a job with more regular hours. Please actively work on your support network, get back in touch with friends and family, factor some fun into your life. Let this man see that you are going to thrive without him.
And don’t feel guilty about anything. None of this is your fault.

3dogs2cats · 31/05/2019 10:43

And stop thinking about it!

Galaxy88 · 31/05/2019 10:59

I'm so so sorry, OP. You need to realise, you may love him but he certainly doesn't love or respect you. If he did, would he sleep with a other woman in your bed? Would he use your personal appearance to justify his actions? No. This a guy is scum of the earth and you deserve better.
Going forward, can the kids stay at his house during work? This may stop him being a disgusting prick and bringing women around while you're at work.

Most of all, stop allowing this man into you heart. You need to clear space for someone worth your love.