Plus a small majority of biological females (FTM), presumably. Or do those ‘women’s’ feelings not count?
@mannersmakeththepig I’d like you to do a small thought experiment with me, if you will.
Imagine, for a moment, that there were no male people at all who identified or wished to identify as women.
Imagine that it was only a small number of biologically female people who were “trans”: who wished to transition, be seen and treated as male. Imagine the Trans Rights movement was made up simply of those people, and their allies. No trans males at all.
Do you think for a millisecond that Trans Rights Activism would have taken off in the way it has? Would have made all the massive gains it has so astonishingly quickly, SO much more quickly than any actual civil rights movement you care to mention?
Would have been able to effect such global, far-reaching social and political change in a mere moment, would have brought about the changes in public and corporate policy that we are seeing enacted at breakneck speed, with zero consultation, zero concern for or awareness of the impact on other vulnerable, disadvantaged, marginalised groups?
Do you really think that a movement led by and centring the concerns of biologically female people would have gained even a hundredth of the traction that the “Trans Rights” movement has? Would have had the power this movement does?
In this world where women in NI and Alabama, Georgia etc don’t even have reproductive control over their own bodies? This world where sexual assault and harassment of women by men are endemic, where violence of all types by men against women and girls is endemic, where FGM and child marriage still thrive? Where women can’t even speak out about a subject that directly affects them without being monstered, threatened, fired, assaulted?
If you really believe that then there is really no hope for you. This movement has made the enormous gains it has and so quickly because it is led and driven by those who already have the power in terms of the sex class divide: the male class.
You keep talking about how it’s the “real” misogyny we need to tackle and this is nothing; harmless - but you are mistaken.
The attempt by primarily male born people (funded by immensely wealthy male people like Soros, Pritzker, Hauschker) to erode women’s boundaries, to control what women can and can’t do or say, to redefine the idea of what a woman is so that male people can identify into the group that they have traditionally dominated and still do - it’s all part of the same mindset that sees women denied abortions, sees girls mutilated or married off to old men, just another part of the spectrum.
It’s the SAME misogyny/sexism, just dressed up as “wokeness”. Male people attempting to control what women can and can’t do, can and can’t say. Male people who don’t see women as full human beings in our own right but rather as accessories to their own lives. Male people who regard the world and all that’s in it as theirs, by right, and are NOT looking to play nicely or share any time soon.
I don’t hate all male people. I love two particular male people more than anyone else on the planet, FWIW. I still don’t want them in a women’s changing room, women’s toilets, or anywhere else that’s for women only. It’s entirely possible to love individual men and boys but want to uphold women’s boundaries; to love men but hate misogyny and the way women are STILL the second sex.
And I think it’s appalling that women like you are propping up, enabling and promoting this hateful, misogynist, abusive ideology that is every bit as pernicious and every bit as much an attack on women’s rights and safety as the regressive shit in Alabama and NI etc etc. Every bit as much an attack on women and girls as all the men who deny the reality of #metoo.
If you weren’t so invested in supporting the lie that a subset of males are actually female, for whatever reasons you do that, you would be able to see this for what it is, as you presumably think of yourself as a feminist, you presumably think you’re against misogyny and sexism.
But at the moment, you’re the modern day equivalent of the women who campaigned against the suffragettes. Tragic.