To be deeply disappointed in John Cleese

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I have no idea if this is typical but he just tweeted that London isn't an English city any more
What is it then pray tell? What's not English about it??

From people who think like John Cleese

@HelpMeFindAName I think you're who @IcedPurple was talking about.

Would you care to name the area/s you are talking about in your post?

I live in central London and he is 100% correct. What on earth is wrong with people that someone cannot state the bleeding bloody obvious.

Eliza9919 and Alaskan, we are in Islington and I couldn't agree more with your posts. Massive problem with Somalian gangs/stabbings in the local park/muggings on the way home from school. I fear for my sons - just want them to grow up in a safe environment with a decent education but neither are looking likely. All decent schools are massively oversubscribed. You cannot tell me immigration does not have an impact on school place and housing. Of course it does.

For the record I'm mixed race, my nan and grandad came over from Jamaica in the 50's. Their parents went to Jamaica from India, one set was very well to do and the other were indentured slaves. The other side is white English, blonde, blue eyes.

Immigration back then was very different though. People worked and provided for themselves and didn't receive any handouts. They contributed to society rather than ghettoising themselves which is what seems to happen now. All trade is kept within their own communities. There is no integration.

There's an episode of The Fried Chicken Shop which was a documentary about a chicken shop, staff and customers, somewhere jn SE London. Made in the last 5? years. 2 young, local, black girls were sitting chatting at a table. One said to the other "but where are all the English people?" Reply "Oh, they don't live here anymore, they live outside (town)." It really surprised me and made me think they must have quite restricted lives to be able to think this.

Eliza9919 and Alaskan, we are in Islington and I couldn't agree more with your posts. Massive problem with Somalian gangs/stabbings in the local park/muggings on the way home from school. I fear for my sons - just want them to grow up in a safe environment with a decent education but neither are looking likely. All decent schools are massively oversubscribed. You cannot tell me immigration does not have an impact on school place and housing. Of course it does.

I hear you.

Are we not supposed to talk about the fact that we have enormous insular communities of people coming from countries where 98% of the girls are circumcised?

Really?

We had dinner with some super right-on Highgate people who were shocked to hear that I see the burqua every single day, as in, they did not believe me.

Oh and the reason why London schools outperform schools outside of London is likely due to the increased funding received by London schools that the recent changes in funding sought to address and possibly due to London schools attracting better teachers. Not due to immigration.

It isn't an English city (anymore(, he's right.
But why he thought he needed to point out the obvious, is beyond me. What was his motive?

To get people into a 'frenzy'?

I totally agree HelpMeFindAName.

My cousins children are mixed race in a very white area & it worries me the racism they'll face growing up

@tierraJ Racism goes both ways, these communities will only employ people within their own community. They will only buy and trade from people from their own community. They only want their kids to mix with their own community and religion. They only want their kids to marry within their own community.

Alaskan, it's incredibly frustrating that you cannot even have a sensible dialogue about this. We are seriously considering leaving London, mainly due to the crime and poor secondary school options. To say that immigration is not a factor in the increased crime rate, gangs and pressure on schools and housing is ignoring the elephant in the room.

It isn't an English city (anymore(, he's right.
But why he thought he needed to point out the obvious, is beyond me. What was his motive?

So, who should be able to point this out and for what reasons?

Avala2019 Do it, I moved a few years ago and would never move back now. My family still live there unfortunately and I'm working on getting them to move too.

Did you Eliza? Do you still work in London and commute in? I work in the city though so would mean a big lifestyle change/commuting in etc. Think it may be time to do it though as I truly fear for my kids' safety but am so sad at the options we have for schooling. I want them to be in a safe, pleasant environment where hard work and aspiration is encouraged. I know at least 3 families who have moved to avoid the local comp. Having a mid of a mid life crisis wondering why I work full time only to pay an extortionate mortgage to live in a crime ridden area with rubbish schooling! We go to the park and often see the police doing sweeps - we thought they were checking for drugs/weapons/needles but they cheerfully clarified for us that they also find bodies and body parts as it's a favourite dumping ground for the local gang. This gang, BTW, is not English. And this is where my 8 year old plays football.

You can never argue or state facts or opinions with the Left.. they just scream racism. It's one of the issues why this country doesn't dare touch this subject and it's why the problems are not being resolved.

Avala2019, Yes, in 2015. I commuted for a year until a job with decent money came up down here. That was a killer, it was 2 and a half hours, door to door, each way.

You need to properly look in to local rates of pay. Here they are horrendous, 18/19k seems to be top end but it's a poor area. But when I did Google searches before moving, it all gave me London rates. It's also supposed to be hipster or Shoreditch on sea but don't believe the hype. It's a shithole too, just in a different way

We moved out of Enfield for the same reason. I was worried about my sons' safety when they got to secondary school. My DS's are mixed race in a fairly white area now. I'll take at them being asked if they and the other mixed race kid in the school are brothers over worrying about them being mugged at knifepoint every time they come home from school.

@woodhill re that BBC article - yes I clocked that reporting too. Somalian gang violence is a British problem and all the fault of inequality and a poor education system apparently.

Oh well. I too am at the point now of looking forward to bailing out of west London and leaving it to others who’ll doubtless appreciate this increasingly non-English city in all its diverse glory much more than me.

@Eliza9919 do you mind me asking whereabouts you moved to? We are considering a move south but the commute to London will be a challenge until we find something else.

@hilbobaggins

With reference to that article, it strikes me that at some point we’ve stopped holding the individual responsible for the crimes they commit and instead blame society at large. I don’t know when that started to occur.

the crime waves seems to be getting worse

DIRE lack of police. That's what's wrong. Relentless cuts in public services.
Those who blame diversity wouldn't even notice it if the country was run properly.

It isn't an English city (anymore(, he's right.
But why he thought he needed to point out the obvious, is beyond me. What was his motive?

So, who should be able to point this out and for what reasons?

Anyone can point it out, but at least be transparent in why you are pointing it out.

This country doesn't dare touch this subject and it's why the problems are not being resolved

I agree, and how does anyone solve the problems of a family, a community, a country if we can’t be open and honest about what we perceive the problems to be? It’s an uncomfortable topic to talk about, but we must if there’s ever to be a resolution. Problems ignored have a nasty habit of festering, and people unable to speak truthfully will become angry. We mustn’t let that happen, because that it is the true danger, as far as I can tell.

@hilbobaggins Margate.

It's got its own problems though, mainly from when the council took all the other councils problem people in return for payment or whatever it was. There are a lot of people with alcohol issues and on the sick here. Lots of people walking about with one crutch and a neck brace moaning about their bad backs. That keep the bookies & off license in business.

I suppose if you have kids there's the county lines thing to worry about but I do t think it's a HUGE problem here yet. Not on a par with the gangs in London.

It's skaggersville, but you don't take your life in your hands every time you leave the house.

And the surrounding towns and the beaches are lovely.

My MIL foisted the BBC article upon me.

Weird that there's no mention of these Somalian boys having mothers who can't speak English ergo can't work, and have on average 5 or 5 children, and supremely sexist husbands. I wonder if this has something to do with their poor prospects?