To move to Scotland because of Brexit?

[Fucksandflowers]

DH is seriously talking about it.

We’ve always liked Scotland anyway...

DH is English, but looks foreign and gets an astounding amount of racism, at least weekly.

Genuinely fearful of the apparent growth of right wing politics in this country, DH in particular is worried if Farage gets in the racism is going to get even worse.

Anyone who lives in Scotland, what is it like?
Are people generally tolerant?
Any areas that are particularly nice and too expensive?

I've been trying to point that out but getting nowhere. My DH is English. In all the years he has been here, nobody has been rude to him about his accent. My BIL gets called a 'Jock' and is regularly the butt of unfunny 'banter' when he is down South on business. He doesn't blame the entire nation. Every country has its twats.

We moved up from England. DC is at school here and has not been teased for being English. I've not been either. But I do feel a bit foreign - people sometimes assume I'm here on holiday.
I like the feeling that it is more left wing here. England felt increasingly right wing. Where we live there is not as much in your face financial inequality as there was in England. The infrastructure and public transport is good. People are friendly and relatively relaxed. The sense of space makes a big difference. There is no traffic congestion. The countryside is wild and beautiful. Edinburgh is a lovely city.
There are quite a lot of English people dotted around.

You'll never meet anyone with a bigger chip on their shoulders than a scot. Don't be fooled. And then there's the drinking and the swearing and the huge sense of entitlement. Don't come, you'll only be disappointed. England is a far, far better place

Sounds very much like someone despising a whole nation to me!

Sounds very much like someone despising a whole nation to me!

Oh well done. Have you spent the whole evening trawling through the the whole thread to find one piece of evidence to support your hyperbole?

I didn't post that comment btw.

As I said earlier your posts certainly bely the claim that everyone in Scotland is so welcoming and tolerant. I believe you told me I should leave, simply because I don't think Scotland is the kailyard you seem to live in.

rich English people coming in and buying up all the houses in places like Pitlochry, Orkney and the islands completely changing the tone of the area and making it hard for locals to afford to get houses

Any comments on this Stone? Very welcoming isn't it?

No Lass - I’ve just got in from being out with pals (English ones if you care to know. My post was directed at that poster - not you (not sure why you thought it was). I’ve already commented on the property buying much earlier.
If somebody owns a house they can sell it to who they want - obviously! Free market. Wouldn’t have anybody tell me who I can sell my property to.

a white settler is not just an English family/ person moving into a rural area it is an English family / person moving in and trying to change things at the expense of tradition and those already there and thinking they know better than uneducated, less sophisticated crofters etc

I lived on the Isle of Lewis for a while I'm English I never had a problem but some did as they just would not respect the culture, they tried to change things get on PTA etc etc , complain of sheep on the road ( if there are no fences beside road sheep have the right of way) complain that they could not cut peat where they wanted ( banks are allocated by village grazing committee) and once you have them you keep them for life so obviously a new comer from anywhere will get ones further away or that have not been used for years,

English analogy would be moving from London to a farming village and complaining about cockerels, farm smells and the village church clock striking the hour like it has for last 400 years it goes down like a lead balloon

No Lass - I’ve just got in from being out with pals (English ones if you care to know)

Why on earth would I want to know that? What possible interest is the place of birth of your friends to me? Do you often feel the need to go around telling people you have English friends? How very peculiar.

"White settler" is a vile expression.

What I don’t understand is, if Scotland is such an awful place to the people on the thread living here and complaining, why aren’t they trying to change the country? If it’s so bad for them it must be so bad for so many others. Group together and create change for the better don’t just moan on mumsnet ffs! If that doesn’t appeal why not make use of the freedom of movement we still have and move to somewhere that makes you happier? Life is too short to be that miserable.

If Sturgeon & co are such awful politicians as per claims (and believe me I’m no huge fan) why have they consistently been voted the largest party to represent the country in all elections for a decade? Why are voters not voting labour or Tory or libdem instead? Thankfully, Brexit aside nobody really bothers voting the far right parties. It may be we’re all racist and intolerant but in general we keep our politics separate from our discrimination.

Of course Scotland has racists and bigots, sadly it’s human nature to be racist and bigoted. We all have discriminations and are judgemental. No place on the planet can escape those types of people. Of course it’s not a utopia, nowhere is. We can only try to create a better place for ourselves and future generations as best we can but it will be imperfect. Too many people here seem resigned to living in a shithole. Shitholes
Become shitholes because of the population inhabiting it, you’re one of those people in that population.

I just can’t believe how many people here seem so bloody unhappy about living in scotland who stay. It’s almost as if they’re buying into the stereotype that Scots love being miserable. People love getting the cringe when it comes to Scotland. It’s centuries of being told too wee, too poor and too stupid and at some point in history we all started to believe that and behave that way. I find it really sad as a nation that Scotland is so dependent. It doesn’t need to be, it could survive quite comfortably as an independent nation in time but cringe comes before effort. It’s quite depressing how many people here are talking down their country. What are you doing to fix it?

About the weather. Where we are it rains less than it did in England. It is cooler. In these days of global warming I consider that a big advantage.

English born Scot, lived here for many years. Oh and also a member of that anti English SNP party....
Never had a problem with being English here. Neither have my friends and family.
Yes there are racist knobs, there are everywhere. Love it here, its my home. DH has experienced far more anti Scottish resentment down south.
Just to settle would Scotland be vetod by Spain to the EU, Spain never said it would veto an Independent Scotland..

fullfact.org/europe/eu-membership-spain-scotland/

Scotland, like Ireland, has been a country with emigration. There are Scots all over the world. They leave for better opportunities. So you get moaning minnies left, not happy with what's here but not prepared to go anywhere else.
I expected our long awaited SNP gov to change things for the better but sadly they seem to be too busy virtue signalling to actually improve things which imv should be industry and research, technology. Jobs.
We got gaelic on our signs so every sign in our area has the name in english with the name in gaelic underneath so every road sign has double the writing on it - not too helpful imv. The last person I met in my area who spoke gaelic was on old chap from Argyll in 1969. Our hills here are covered in windturbines, nice for England who have much stricter criteria. I don't see much industry anywhere, not sure what will drive the nation forward if we go for independence. Tourism is the big thing but if there are no hotels to put people up in (NW500) where is the profit to come from (not counting Edinburgh).
So here we are with MPs, MSPs what does it all cost?
But the countryside is beautiful, roads less busy, housing cheaper (except 3 main cities). You could do worse.

As a white person living on a council estate in South London, i and my children have suffered racial abuse and one of my children racially attacked twice. Racism is everywhere other than in remote areas where the racial/ethnic demographic is made up of one demographic with the occasional visit from an outsider. That is the way of it. Having worked in many countries all over the world, to think that racism is only from one demographic/ethnic group is beyond ignorant. So there is no certainty that moving to Scotland will solve your situation.

"I don't think Scotland is the kailyard you seem to live in."

Throwing the word "kailyard" into every post does you make you sound as clever as you seem to think it does.

Does not even.

What I don’t understand is, if Scotland is such an awful place to the people on the thread living here and complaining, why aren’t they trying to change the country? If it’s so bad for them it must be so bad for so many others

No, you don't understand what people have been saying. It is not an awful place ( bits of it are pretty grim , but that is the same for all countries) Edinburgh is lovely (or to be honest bits of Edinburgh are. I love living where I live , other parts, definitely would not want to)

It is not however the wonderful, left wing, multi- cultural, liberal utopia where everyone is welcomed with open arms and everything is so much better than in England that some posters are trying to make out.

Throwing the word "kailyard" into every post does you make you sound as clever as you seem to think it does

Oh the irony- an insult about another poster's intelligence with errors which turn your post into gibberish is so effective, isn't it?

Kailyard perfectly captures the mentality of certain posters.

rich English people coming in and buying up all the houses in places like Pitlochry, Orkney and the islands completely changing the tone of the area and making it hard for locals to afford to get houses

And as I said further up the thread you could change "rich English" with "rich Hampshire" and change the location to North Devon or Cornwall.

*Just to settle would Scotland be vetod by Spain to the EU, Spain never said it would veto an Independent Scotland(

I also said that further up the thread. It gets trotted out constantly and is a nonsense.

It’s centuries of being told too wee, too poor and too stupid and at some point in history we all started to believe that and behave that way. I find it really sad as a nation that Scotland is so dependent

This tired old chestnut really should be dropped. It got trotted out with tedious regularity during the indy campaign. No one on the no side said anything of the sort- plenty on the yes side however resorted to it. It's such a straw man.

@ByGaslight you speak so much sense about the forces behind Scottish nationalism and Brexit being the same. Almost all of my friends and colleagues are pro-independence and anti-Brexit. I find that position frankly baffling but none of them see it like that. A part of me wonders if it is to do with one Union being with Europeans (very cool, forward thinking, chic) and the other Union being with the English (not seen as those things). They would vehemently deny that but offer no other explanation.

They're denying it because it's nonsense. Many Scots want self-government and are sick and tired of the shennigand in Westminster but they don't want to be isolationist. Our 'Auld Alliance' was with France. For Scots, that feeling of being part of Europe goes back hundreds of years, far longer than the Union with England.

*shenanigans

I wish I could go back, but there’s no chance of DH getting work there in his field and the DC are settled where we are.
I won’t even be entitled to a passport, as despite doing all my schooling (and university), I wasn’t born in Scotland. The rest of my family that’s still there will get passports though.

“Harriethen

You’ll get an outstanding amount of shit for being English up there. I lived there for years (Glasgow and surrounding areas, and Aberdeen and surrounding areas) and both my husband and I got it regularly.”

I don’t believe a single word of that. This doesn’t really happen in modern Scotland.

When Scotland becomes independent at least 500,000 people will move here from England, and very welcome they will be. What a boost for our fledgling independent economy.