To move to Scotland because of Brexit?

[Fucksandflowers]

DH is seriously talking about it.

We’ve always liked Scotland anyway...

DH is English, but looks foreign and gets an astounding amount of racism, at least weekly.

Genuinely fearful of the apparent growth of right wing politics in this country, DH in particular is worried if Farage gets in the racism is going to get even worse.

Anyone who lives in Scotland, what is it like?
Are people generally tolerant?
Any areas that are particularly nice and too expensive?

Namaste6

@LassOfFyvieno it's no

Your description of Aberdeen as a literal melting pot of nationalities is utter bollocks.

I live in a part of southern England which is hugely racist, the comments section of the local paper is depressing reading on a daily basis.

I applied for a couple of jobs in Scotland a few years ago, had interviews for both but was not successful, then landed my dream job locally - a role that doesn’t exist in Scotland - so we stayed here.

It’s still our long term plan, though. It’s partly because I love the area we were looking at (Highlands), partly as husband is Scottish and his family are in Morayshire, but also partly because the general attitudes in my home county are painful to witness, and I’ve not come across things that bad when I’ve spent time in Scotland.

Yay op, please come!

We might feck off to Ireland if it all goes tits up (assuming I can of course!)

In the context of Sectarianism - yes, a loaded question 😂😂

I'm in Scotland we will suffer from Brexit to, Nicola Sturgeon isn't doing great thing's for Scotland, NHS is a mess, Scotland used to have the best education in the world SNP have slowly demolished it, Nicola Sturgeon is only interested in point scoring from Westminster, SNP will destroy Scotland, i hope we don't get independence in my lifetime

StoneofDestiny

I quite enjoy confounding people who make assumptions about me. Was raised protestant (not Orange), became RC, now confirmed atheist. DP is ex army, yet we're both Celtic season ticket holders who take no part in the pro IRA pretence (because it is at the football) or political side of things.

It blows minds on both sides of the divide

Give Australia a go.no seriously..its a lot less uptight,people are friendly as hell&you cant beat the wages/lifestyle/schooling options..works for us

"I'm Scottish, live in Scotland. Don't be fooled by all the anti-Brexit rhetoric you hear from Nicola Sturgeon. There are vast numbers of Brexiteers in Scotland.
You will also find an amazing amount of dimwits who hate all things English. I kid you not. You'll never meet anyone with a bigger chip on their shoulders than a scot. Don't be fooled.
And then there's the drinking and the swearing and the huge sense of entitlement. Don't come, you'll only be disappointed. England is a far, far better place."

This is embarrassing.

I'm not an SNP supporter, I voted against leaving the UK, but I feel immensely proud that in Scotland there is not one single local authority where the majority vote was for the Brexit party and their racist stance What a comparison with the rest of the UK.

In Scotland, yellow is SNP (remain), orange is Lib Dem (remain) IN England the vast majority of dark turquoise are councils where the majority vote was the Brexit Party. I think it shows that lack of a viable alternative for those in England.

I'm spectacularly proud that the Brexit party didn't get a foothold in Scotland. I know we're still waiting for the Western Isles to declare (they don't count on the Sabbath) but I'm not sure they're going to get in their either. In fact I'd be astounded.

I'm with you Lisbon (and other pro-Europe-named mners)

I'm spectacularly proud that the Brexit party didn't get a foothold in Scotland

The Brexit party came second ahead of Lib Dems, Labour,Green and Conservative.

They did, but that is one 'leave' vote split against others.. The notable thing is that the Brexit party did not get a majority in ANY Scottish local authority area.

Of course the Brexit party got votes, of course it is right that people in Scotland who don't want to be part of the EU can be represented, but you cannot ignore the fact that people who live and vote in Scotland are thinking differently.

I'm from Aberdeen and agree it's not exactly multicultural better than it was growing up i went to uni in Aberdeen with a woman who always boasted she was married to the only black man in the entire city in the 70's.

I live in England now but Regularly home when I would have moved back couldn't afford to buy now the down turn in the oil We could but don't want to.

The Brexit vote seems stronger in Scotland, if you look at last nights results, than expected so no less division there plus you have the headache of the independence debate which is on top of the Brexit shite we deal with down here.

I moved back to England from Scotland after 9/11 because my then-husband wasn't white and my child is mixed race. My husband was routinely being verbally abused in the street.

If you are not white, I'd think twice.

Everything tastes better in Scotland and I’ve never understood why.

I’m Scottish, live in Scotland. You'll never meet anyone with a bigger chip on their shoulders than a scot. Don't be fooled.
And then there's the drinking and the swearing and the huge sense of entitlement. Don't come, you'll only be disappointed. England is a far, far better place

Well -you obviously have a chip on your shoulder! I’ve lived and worked in Scotland and England and can tell you you are talking shite! (Oops, sweary word).
If you hate your own country and all it’s people just leave - not sure your attitude to your fellow humans would be welcomed in England either!

I’m Scottish, live in Scotland. You'll never meet anyone with a bigger chip on their shoulders than a scot. Don't be fooled.
And then there's the drinking and the swearing and the huge sense of entitlement. Don't come, you'll only be disappointed. England is a far, far better place

Well -you obviously have a chip on your shoulder! I’ve lived and worked in Scotland and England and can tell you you are talking shite! (Oops, sweary word).
If you hate your own country and all it’s people just leave - not sure your attitude to your fellow humans would be welcomed in England either!

You’ll get an outstanding amount of shit for being English up there

No you won't.

I have a number of English colleagues who say things like this and the main reason is because they don’t live here in Scotland and have an Instagram picture of what Scotland is like i.e. full of Europhiliacs in rainbow tartans who are just bewildered by Brexit.

But the forces that brought us Brexit were here first. Exactly the same arguments for separation were made by the Nationalists here as were made by the Brexiteers (and n.b. that word Nationalist, as in the Scottish Nationalist Party, is not a special Gaelic word for underdogs) – Nationalists have been keen to underplay the fairly visceral anti-English sentiments which drove the original movement but that is what fuels their story of how the English have oppressed the gallant Scots when the truth is that being in the UK has had enormous economic benefits for Scotland in exactly the same way that being in the EU has had enormous economic benefits for the UK as a whole.

What Nationalists want is the same sense of ‘taking back control’ / ‘taking our country back’ that Brexiters want, i.e. social and cultural independence but they are stuck on the economics just as the UK is stuck on the economics of leaving the EU. If Scotland goes for independence now it will be a kind of 'hard independence' and the story playing out will be the same as Brexit: how do you ‘leave’ a union in which your economics are deeply entangled, in a global capitalist world, where you share the same currency but the currency is not your central bank’s currency (you don’t have a central bank)? The conditions of the divorce are far less substantial so far even than Brexit. One internal conflict in the SNP is the influence of hardliners who don’t like the EU and who are quite happy to invent a new currency (the groat possibly) instead of being a subordinate user of sterling or having to use the Euro.

Also mind the cultural composition of Scotland, folk here are definitely not rainbow-coloured, they are white and no less accepting of other races and creeds than any other part of the UK. In a large cosmopolitan city the other day, I saw group of lads shouting at Polish-speakers for not talking properly. Scotland is also a deeply divided nation, not only on Independence but across all of the same range of urban / rural East /West, North / South, wealthy / poor as the rest of the UK. We are trapped in the same house-price bubble too.

So if you want to move somewhere far whiter than England and where you’re happy to live through Brexit twice, where you don’t mind that your mortgage is repayable in sterling but you may be paid in groats, and your pension may be paid in groats then yes do come on up.

If you hate your own country and all it’s people just leave - not sure your attitude to your fellow humans would be welcomed in England either!

Such ridiculous hyperbole- almost as ridiculous as the hyperbole about everything being lovely and so much better in Scotland.

I don't hate Scotland. I love living in Edinburgh. There are bits of Scotland which are horrible and I really would not want to live in- frankly there are bits of Edinburgh I would not want to live in.

What I hate is this "fa's like us? Damn few and they're a deid" kalyard sentimentality especially when coupled with the "if only we had our freedom" clap trap.

Kailyard obviously- which is obviously still alive and well.

Come to Glasgow or the surrounding areas. Don't listen to people who say we hate the English - a small minority too, but I have English friends and family and they have experienced very little hate or abuse.

I have experienced racism in Australia of all places and it’s pretty scary I can tell you