To wonder how people think a new Prime Minister is going to be able to deliver Brexit

[Bearbehind]

I’m no fan of Theresa May; the reason we are in the mess we currently are is because of her red lines and the fact she has never been honest about what was and was not achievable.

But what do people think a new PM can achieve?

No deal will seriously damage the country, even the government’s own impact assessments have concluded that and there’s simply not the numbers in parliament for no cal to happen (even though it’s the default position)

The EU aren’t suddenly going to remove the backstop for a new PM because we’ve proven we cannot be trusted to do what we say so it’s needed.

hate, turnout is likely to be less than 50% and realistically Farage will get about a third.

So we’re talking about 1/6 of the population.

That’s not a mandate for anything, especially given that those who strongly support Brexit had the biggest incentive to vote - to try and make a point.

The new PM is not going to destroy the country on the back of the wishes of 1/6 of the adult population.

It won’t be misogyny that rules out another female PM. Two have put themselves forward and they both distinctly lacking in intellect.

Nasty post Hate.

Nasty?? Really not so - I really wanted TM to pull it off - I also agreed that HoC should pass WA. It might be nicer to imagine that misogyny doesn't exist in the higher echelons of politics, business, the workplace and the home but whilst much reduced over the past 3 decades, it still very much exists.

You can shoot this messenger if it makes you feel better, I've a thick, old, female skin so well used to it.

So we’re talking about 1/6 of the population.

This is ironic considering the it was highlighted at the last election of voter percentage v turnout was somehow deemed the Tories didn't have a mandate.

If you accept it is one 1/6 of the population then the mental gymnastics you have to go through for us having a tory government will be interesting to see

just I hate to tell you but the Tories didn’t even get a majority in the GE so need the DUP to prop them up, hence they don’t have a clear mandate either.

Yes I know that Bear - maybe you think I;m a Tory? I'm not, usually a Green voter, but you carry on....

Are you sock puppeting?

Are hate and just the same person?

I was replying to just yet hate says ‘yes I know’

Who in hell thoufht having a referendum in the first place was a good idea?

ok... just listening to BBC World Service who explained this well (but was also pointed out on the R5 show around 8:30pm 2nite).

Timing:
May MEP elections
July MEPs take up their seats
September: MEPs & Council negotiate to choose members of Commission
October: Commission finally assembled, ready for business.

Who cares?
UK does. Any next PM who thinks they will reopen the WA.
Because without Commission there will be No One to negotiate with about the WA. Not possible before end September or start October. Since Commission won't be reassembled until then.

Any fool who says they can renegotiate Better Brexit Deal using No Deal as leverage by 31 October doesn't know what they are talking about.

I hate to tell you but the Tories didn’t even get a majority in the GE so need the DUP to prop them up, hence they don’t have a clear mandate either.

I hate to tell you that it wasn't just the recent tory government that won without a majority, its been happening for years, did you know the dreaded DUP where being touted by Labour in previous elections as well, it might help if you wasn't so tribal.

I was pointing out the hypocrisy in this, especially considering your answer.

The new PM is not going to destroy the country on the back of the wishes of 1/6 of the adult population.

just (or hate) there’s a difference between deglecting a country (which every government has done for years), and wilfully destroying it.

I think the best phrase I’ve heard on the subject, and I’ve no idea who said it, is that we are they first country to apply sanctions to ourselves.

^^ Neglecting

bear (or willfully ignorant)

your point is not relative to anything i have said re 1/6th of the adult population.

You wanting an authoritative goverment is not my issue

just, sorry but I’ve no idea what you are talking about then.

Any next PM who thinks they will reopen the WA.

Good luck with that.

Whoever wins the leadership election will be PM of a government that has undertaken, as a condition of the 11 April extension, not to reopen the withdrawal agreement.

Those who supported brexit had biggest incentive to vote!!

Really!!

Surely those that didn't want brexit would have the biggest reason to vote because they don't want to leave!!!

Well those results aren’t going to make the new PMs life any easier are they.

Huge support for The Brexit party but not a majority and infact higher support for Remain parties than Leave.

So what do they do?

Piss everyone off with no deal Brexit, because it will end badly.

Piss off those who insist we should leave by revoking

I think it will be a no deal and a disaster. I've been saying that for years now.

I mostly blame leave campaigners, then David Cameron and then leave voters. I blame Theresa May a little bit because she didn't need to take the job and if she loves her country so much she should have just cancelled the whole thing.

We are fucked.

37% is quite frankly an awful turn out for the country that apparently wants to resolve Brexit, the EU avg was 51%.

BRX barely improved on the UKIP gains of 2014 and Remain voters seemed to have stayed at home.

As a country we deserve what is coming next, we ve had a chance to send a clear message to the Govt and failed abysmally, i mean what sort of electorate votes in Widdecombe who is anti woman in all she believes in?
Women would have had to have voted for this relic :(

As PP said, there is no EU commision to negotiate with and the EU will be sure to refuse any extension, unless for a specific reasons ie PV/GE.

@Bearbehind doesn't matter what happens now really. The average Jo is going to be pissed off no matter how they voted because of the shit show Brexit has been. Our government drastically needs a reformation.

Leaving the EU makes about as much sense as phoning up the DVLA, telling them that you're sick of all their "rules", that you are tired of constantly being told about speed limits, and emissions, and traffic laws.

Then telling them that you're handing back your drivers licence, that you want no part of their regulatory systems, and that they can stick their licence where the sun dont shine. But then telling them that you still want to drive, and could they please just allow you to carry on doing that. Obviously without having to obey any traffic laws, cus you did give your licence back!

It was never going to work from the start.

@Outoutout great analogy

“EU president warns Tory leadership candidates there will be no Brexit renegotiation as May arrives in Brussels after Euro elections disaster for Tories”

The only chance is by offering a second referendum, for which the EU I think will grant an extension beyond 31 October.

I'm so bored of it all. It doesn't matter who's in charge. You can't polish a turd and Brexit is a gigantic stinky turd.