To wonder how people think a new Prime Minister is going to be able to deliver Brexit

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I’m no fan of Theresa May; the reason we are in the mess we currently are is because of her red lines and the fact she has never been honest about what was and was not achievable.

But what do people think a new PM can achieve?

No deal will seriously damage the country, even the government’s own impact assessments have concluded that and there’s simply not the numbers in parliament for no cal to happen (even though it’s the default position)

The EU aren’t suddenly going to remove the backstop for a new PM because we’ve proven we cannot be trusted to do what we say so it’s needed.

I don't know what you mean le clerc!

Parliament is remain, majority.
UK public voted leave.

It's parliament who has not decided what to do, not the people they are supposed to represent. . it's why the schism is forming and why the Very foundations of democracy are de stabilising.

For me, it's moved beyond brexit now.
If parliament doesn't honour this vote. No vote will count.

Rory Stewart is great. He could genuinely make a difference with his skills in negotiating and diplomacy- but unlikely to win, sadly.

But Drastic, it’s the hard leave MOs who have prevented Brexit happening. You can’t blame this on remainers I’m afraid.

MPs*

The Irish will end up with the hard border they were so desperate to avoid, which frankly, serves them right for being so obstructive.

How have they been obstructive? By signing an international treaty that brought peace to the island of Ireland for the first time in fuck knows how long? By wanting to remain in the economic union that has made the ROI the country that it is today?

It smacks of imperialism to try and blame the ROI for the mess that CallMeDave's iditotic referendum got us into. Imo he should be charged with treason for putting party before country and fucking everything up for the last 3 years, and possibly the next 30 or more.

Afterthought: unless by "Irish" you were referring to the DUP, in which case kudos to you for what they would regard as an insult, them being so British and all!

Worrying isn’t it!

Not this debacle but the fact edwinbear has voting rights.

Dear god how scary someone that dim about the GFA is allowed a vote.

{Not sure op. I think next moves will be based on euro elections. }

Try thinking what the EP vote 2 days ago was about.
It was to pick about 73 people to represent the UK in the EP that (some say) the UK wants to leave ASAP.

{Parliament is remain, majority.
UK public voted leave. }

UK public voted by a SMALL majority to leave an institution that only 6% of the UK were interested in shortly before the referendum.
There is evidence of 'foreign influence' and significant lying, particularly by those advocating leave, many of whom stand to make a LOT of money at the UK public's expense. The fact that a significant number of potential UK voters were prevented from voting (those who were entitled to vote but resident in Europe) would very likely have brought the referendum to a tie.

The fact that many 'promises' made by the leave campaign are actually impossible to achieve seems to have passed people by. Theresa discovered this but foolishly allowed the 'unicorn beliefs' to persist.

If your cat has been flattened by a truck, you can have as many expert vets as you like but none will be able to revive your cat. This is the situation with many aspects of Brexit.

I think there''s a sort of poetic justice in all this.
David Cameron called the Referendum to try and save the Conservative Party. A combination of Boris as PM and a no- deal Brexit and the Country will be fucked but the Tories will be finished!

It's just a shame the rest of us will have to suffer to get there!

Excellent but gloomy article re next PM

Sadly, we won’t be leaving.

"Sadly"??
I wish I had your confidence, Somebodie . If we don't leave I will be the opposite of sad!

Whoever it is will very likely be a deeply incompetent hard brexiteer and they will happily drive us off a cliff without a second thought.

I’m crossing my fingers that now is the time to revoke.

We will leave with no deal. That is the default so nobody needs to be made to agree to it. Government departments have been planning for a no deal scenario for 3 years. It will happen.

You seem very sure of the planning Dana28?

Dana28

I hope you're right.

I watched a reporter interviewing Tory MPs, on TV, last night. It seems most are behind BJ. It looks like we will leave with no deal. MP's all said they couldn't agree to the deal on offer as it would be catastrophic for the UK. None of them blamed TM, personally. They all said the EU's demands made the WA impossible to deliver, as it would not be in the best interests of the UK.

Government departments have planned nothing. They were called off their no deal preparation, such as it was, when Parliament voted no deal down. As it will again. And again. And again.

The EU were 'nearly' ready with their 'no deal' planning a month or so back. They published their 12 point plan of what activities (such as flights and ferries) that they will allow 3 or so months back.
The concessions they are allowing are for a 9 or 12 month period and can be withdrawn whenever the EU thinks they don't need them. They could therefore cancel all ferries in January if they feel like it.
Of course for the EU it is only the interactions with the UK that need the most serious attention, there is plenty of scope to reconfigure their trade deals for example. I gather that China is buying up as much hallumi cheese as Greece can make.
Meanwhile the UK has Grayling hiring ships that don't exist.

To everyone warming towards Rory Stewart, he is my MP and I had dealings with him a couple of years ago. It was quite a serious matter and he was absolutely ineffectual and hopeless. He had to constantly be reminded to answer emails and was no help at all when he could have been if he could have been bothered. Because he appears relatively normal compared to liars and charlatans doesn't mean he would be a good PM.

{ They all said the EU's demands made the WA impossible to deliver, as it would not be in the best interests of the UK.}

If this is really what they are believing then the UK is in EXCEEDINGLY deep shit (unless the plan is to revoke).

The WA is the BEST 'deal' (although it isn't actually a deal at all) that the UK will get. EVERYTHING else will be worse and starts with signing the WA. The EU don't like the WA much because it gives TOO too much to the UK, and the new EP heads are likely to tighten the screws over the generosity of Mr Junker and Barnier.
If these MPs are thinking that they will abandon trade with the EU and 'simply' buy in from elsewhere they are totally deluded. For a start the UK already has 'best deals' as part of the EU. These will be lost. There is also the fact that many goods and food aren't sitting on shelves in the USA or elsewhere, certainly not in the quantities that the UK would want, and shipping it to the UK in a practical time would be exceedingly expensive.

Boris is the Tory faithful favourite sadly.

Is he though? Or is that just self-serving publicity emanating from Johnson?

@edwinbear - Boris will take us out with a no deal. The Irish will end up with the hard border they were so desperate to avoid, which frankly, serves them right for being so obstructive.

Those pesky Irish. How dare they expect a co-signatory to an international peace treaty to actually comply with the treaty. They should really get back in their box so we can go back to the good old days when the UK could happily commit genocide through famine in order to exploit the resources of Ireland. Bloody cheek of them actually gaining partial independence and then trying to protect the rights of the Irish still living under British rule.

BigSexyCrimeUnit it's rubbish that you had a bad experience with Rory Stewart as your MP, but he seems to be the one with the skillset needed to give us any chance of sorting the Brexit mess (out of a very limited pool it has to be said).

They all said the EU's demands made the WA impossible to deliver, as it would not be in the best interests of the UK.

The WA was the UK's own proposal that the EU agreed to in order to move things forward. Some EU countries were even reluctant to go that far.