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Pregnant and smoking

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Moominfan · 21/05/2019 19:47

Do you judge mums who are pregnant and smoke? There was some work place drama today. Pregnant lady over heard a comment made by two members of staff about her smoking. Must have touched a nerve. One of the two ladies is struggling to conceive so I imagine seeing someone drain a cancer stick whilst pregnant must be repugnant to her.

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SparkleGem · 22/05/2019 00:22

My mother smoked during both her pregnancies and my sister and I are absolutely fine! Both non smokers, so obviously I had a smoke free pregnancy with my baby.

MiseryLoves · 22/05/2019 00:26

i also know from a midwife pal that the stress and changes to her body when withdrawing from smoking could be as harmful to the pregnancy as smoking a controlled amount

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not advocating smoking whilst pregnant, but, There are actually studies that show smoking during pregnancy reduces the risk of preeclampsia and gestational hypertension, and that quitting cold turkey raises the risks of developing these complications.

Baloonphobia · 22/05/2019 00:29

I'd judge but I gave up when I found I was pregnant so it might be me feeling smug.
I wouldn't really judge the eating crap thing though. I had hyperemesis for a while and all I ate was beige crap through pure necessity.

maloofhoof · 22/05/2019 01:14

I judge them but no more than I judge obese parents and parents who get drunk whilst in the presence of their kids.

PregnantSea · 22/05/2019 01:23

Yes, I do judge. I found it hard to quit smoking but I managed it. It certainly is possible. If your unborn child's health isn't enough motivation then what on earth is? I think it's hard to justify it without looking selfish and callous.

NameChangedNoImagination · 22/05/2019 01:26

I don't judge even though I gave up during pregnancy because you never know what is going on for someone. Having that cigarette might be the only thing keeping them going, and it's very very hard to quit.

fluffuff · 22/05/2019 03:50

I think it's awful and I guess I do judge.

However my son had glue ear and respiratory issues and I am a non smoker.

I do think that judging women for what they eat is unfair. I vomit multiple times a day throughout pregnancy all the way through. I take my multivitamins and I don't drink or smoke. However if the only thing I can stomach is chips and a Milo I'm not going to feel guilty about it.

fluffuff · 22/05/2019 03:53

I have a friend who smokes like a train and her son has developed horrific asthma that has gotten worse over the years, as well as nasal polyps. It's very obvious that her smoking around him is detrimental to his health but she is in denial. I judge that in the same way.

SinkGirl · 22/05/2019 06:48

I know this thread shouldn’t piss me off quite so much, but it does.

Why is it that people think everyone has similar lives and experience to theirs and then judges their actions on that basis?

It’s much easier to quit smoking (or drugs, alcohol, etc) when you’re in a stable situation, mentally and physically well, etc. Not everyone is fortunate enough to be in that situation.

Some women who find themselves pregnant are:

  • in an abusive relationship
  • drug addicts
  • alcoholics
  • sex workers
  • homeless
  • suffering from severe MH issues
  • experiencing bereavement
  • below the poverty line
  • in the process of quitting class A drugs
  • have additional needs, low IQ etc.
  • have had children taken away by social services in the past and fear losing this child

Some women feel very disassosciated from their baby until it’s born - talk to any midwife, they’ll tell you that while some women instantly feel like they have a baby growing inside them, others don’t feel that way at all. It’s all completely abstract to those women. Obviously it’s easier to give up something highly addictive in the first scenario than the second. I think the reason I found it so difficult to quit because I never felt it was “real” - even going to scans felt like watching someone else’s scan footage. It’s very hard to explain.

I did manage to quit but I didn’t have any of the other exacerbating factors mentioned above other than severe anxiety, which did make it so much harder. I also had good support. Yes, most areas have good stop smoking services for pregnant women but in my areas all stop smoking services have been cut significantly, including in maternity.

It’s a very different thing quitting when your baby is wanted, you’re in a stable relationship, you have a stable home and know you’ll be able to feed and clothe your child, you weren’t finding out at 20 weeks and knowing you’ve already smoked and drank through half your pregnancy, etc

It’s like the comments about how it’s not that hard to quit - is it really so difficult to understand that it’s not the same for everyone? Why do you think some people manage to quit any addiction successfully while others can’t - do you honestly believe the narrative that it’s just down to determination? It isn’t.

To the PP who received abuse for smoking after her sister died, I am so sorry for your loss and this is exactly what I mean. You have no idea what’s going on in a stranger’s life.

I know for a fact that occasionally one of those women you see smoking outside maternity units has just been told their baby has died, or is in the process of giving birth to a baby that has died. Some of them that look pregnant had their baby already, some of whom may not have survived, or are in NICU fighting for their life, or whatever.

It’s pretty common for women who quit to return to smoking in these circumstances. So next time you consider tutting at or berating smoking women, ask yourself whether you really know their situation.

CustardCreamLover · 22/05/2019 06:48

Yes I judge pregnant women who smoke. My MIL smoked while pregnant with her daughter and she has asthma. Only one in the family to have it.

Raindropsonroses27 · 22/05/2019 06:51

I try not to judge anyone too harshly but I don't like to see it no. I think it's almost worse when people who are obviously pregnant are shamelessly smoking in public, it's just like an announcement to the world that they'll do what they like.

MotherofDinosaurs · 22/05/2019 06:54

I was a prolific smoker, absolutely loved it. I gave up the second I found out I was pregnant. It was easy because it wasn't about me it was about looking after my baby. I do judge mothers who can't put their baby first. No baby or child should be poisoned by its own mum.

Trebla · 22/05/2019 07:01

Yes and drink. I have an old acquaintance who would regularly smoke and drink at the pub when pg. Her daughter is now late teens with a whole raft of behavioral issues. Coincidence. I think not.

ethelfleda · 22/05/2019 07:08

sinkgirl excellent post. You’ve inspired me to show a little compassion in future.

Lifeover · 22/05/2019 07:20

Absolutely judge them and the parents who push speak with fag in hand. Quite frankly I think forcing a kid to inhale your cancer causing drug habit is abuse and should be seen as such. I’m speaking as someone with lungs that spasm at every opportunity after being forced to inhale my mums second hand smoke as a child. It has damaged our relationship throughout my life.

Slicedpineapple · 22/05/2019 07:24

Yes I judge. I know some people that openly laugh and joke about the fact they smoked during pregnancy and I just don't understand.

SinkGirl · 22/05/2019 07:25

Thank you ethelfleda - I figured it would mostly fall on deaf ears but I appreciate that you considered what I was saying.

I have worked with pregnant in absolutely heartbreaking situations that others clearly couldn’t even comprehend.

PixieDust26 · 22/05/2019 07:32

Unfortunately I do. I was recently at the hospital for a scan and saw a heavily pregnant women puffing away! It just makes me feel sad for the child they're depriving the baby of oxygen how is that not enough to make you stop anyway 🤨

DreamsOfDownUnder · 22/05/2019 08:11

I caved twice in my pregnancy, once when I lost my purse and I was an emotional wreck as I was 100 miles from home and the second was because I just caved. Both times it was half a cigarette. I've never felt guilt like it, I still kick myself about it now when I think about it. But I have given up for good now.

It was not worth the risk to the beautiful little girl who wake up to every morning. I thank my lucky stars I had a lovely healthy baby!

I don't like it, but I did it so I can't judge. I also think it's vile when parents pushing buggys have got a fag in their hand.

KissUntilTheyDieOfRabies · 22/05/2019 08:45

I was put off my fags with the morning sickness I developed, before I knew I was unexpectedly pregnant.

Which I see as a bonus because whilst at that time I could pick it up and put it down but never felt cravings, I picked it up a few years later then developed the addiction after trauma when I put myself in a situation afterwards where I wouldn't be on my own but it would have looked odd if I was just standing around without a fag. I smoked too much and suddenly started feeling cravings.

I don't smoke anymore. I miss it but it still makes me feel sick so I just don't, and I don't want my kids being affected by it.

I do judge but I try and ignore it because I know things aren't always clear cut and just because there's a moral stance doesn't make it easier to just stop for some people.

Buddytheelf85 · 22/05/2019 08:58

I do think smoking’s a foul habit, so to be honest I judge all smokers tbh. But specifically judging pregnant women who smoke feels sooo sanctimonious. Just ganging up on an easy target to make you feel better about yourself.

Buddytheelf85 · 22/05/2019 09:01

@sinkgirl - I agree. Middle class women in stable relationships judging women who smoke in pregnancy just feels sooo smug.

RedPandaMama · 22/05/2019 09:06

I'm really on the fence about this. I've never smoked except trying it a few times when drunk but a few of my friends do and I've seen the agony they go through trying to quit - weight fluctuation, mood swings, anger, stress, anxiety. I felt shit enough when I was pregnant without having to deal with that. However I do think it's awfully unfair on people who want a child desperately and eat healthy, barely drink, don't smoke etc yet can't conceive and there's people making no effort to cut down while heavily pregnant.

When I turned up at the hospital to give birth there was a girl a similar age to me at the time (early 20s) in the midst of labour and literally screaming, outside having a fag. I felt sorry for her. It must be a real addiction to need it THAT much while in that much pain.

NannyRed · 22/05/2019 09:10

I judge pregnant smokers.

No matter how they’re dressed or how nice they look, I assume they live like Waynetta Slob (a Harry Enfield character from the 90’s)

Complete with their own Wayne Slob waiting at home for his dole cheque.

Passthecherrycoke · 22/05/2019 09:11

Eh? What’s wrong with waynetta slob? She was just a comedy TV character, not a child killer

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