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SPOILERS - GoT Finale thread

155 replies

Bibijayne · 20/05/2019 23:42

Anyone else think Jon got a really terrible deal in the end?

I know IABU to want a happy ending. It was never going to happen, but I'm still bummed about it.

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FindaPenny · 21/05/2019 17:07

Davis correcting the grammar, I think was supposed to be a reminder of his time with shereen.

Yamayo · 21/05/2019 17:09

No with Stannis!!! Remember 'fewer'?

PorpentinaScamander · 21/05/2019 17:09

Maybe some of you cleverer than me mumsnetters can answer these!

SPOILERS - GoT Finale thread
5foot5 · 21/05/2019 17:23

Well I am happy with that ending and think it was as close to a "happy ending" as you are likely to get.

I hadn't expected Bran to be King but actually it made perfect sense - there wasn't anyone else it could be. It couldn't be Jon after he had killed Dany (though that was the right thing to do) and although he is a good man I don't think he would have been a good King.

Sansa just wants to stay in an independent North.
Arya certainly wouldn't want it.
Tyrion - for all the reasons he stated.
It would have been completely left field to have had someone new or any of the also rans.
This only really leaves Bran. I suppose he might actually be a good king. He is calm and reasonable, probably just and may turn out to be wise. He is not power mad and will be happy to leave the day to day to those who know what they are doing.

I think Sansa's and Arya's futures are right for them and actually I think Jon's ending will ultimately be happy as he is back with the NightsWatch and the Wildings where he felt at home.

hiddenmnetter · 21/05/2019 17:26

Fuck Bran the fucking broken. That was the worst ending ever. I was SO enraged by it. @PorpentinaScamander the answer to that is NO FUCKING POINT because the writers gave up on writing game of thrones and started writing “let’s make bran’s character not pointless”.

Given the shows HUGE emphasis on realpolitik, the ending was a stupid sham. That everyone’s going to let the north walk away with no reprisal? Hello? Brexit? What’s to stop all the other kingdoms splintering? Nothing- because the seven kingdoms were welded together in the iron throne by aegon the conqueror. The threat of overwhelming force and destruction (dragons) was what unites the seven kingdoms. Moreover, a song of ice and fire is CLEARLY Jon Snow (Aegon Targaryen VI)- he is ice (stark) and fire (Targaryen). And yet the show is not about him now. It’s literally a story about a stupid climbing kid who got crippled turned into a waste of timecode and killed a huge kind hearted fat guy before becoming King of a politically divided and feudal political structure without any of the threat of force that welded it together in the first place.

Bronn...I mean I like his character but honestly that ending was stupid.

Jaime and Cersei- what’s the point of Maggie the frog’s prophecy now? Whose the valonquer who will cause her doom? No-one cause it was bloody dany who killed her.

I actually wanted to switch it off about 5 minutes after drogon carried dany off.

Better alternative endings:

Dany tells Jon she’s pregnant and he’s like aw fuck can’t kill my kid and so joins her and they rule Westeros

Jon kills dany, jumps on drogon and says “I’m aegon Targaryen bitches. This place is mine and if you don’t agree I’ll roast you”

Jon kills dany, jumps on drogon, and then names Sansa queen.

Arya kills dany, Jon reluctantly takes the throne with Sansa as hand.

Arya doesn’t become a fucking sailor but goes back to the house of black and white.

My dd’s swimming lesson is nearly over so I have to go but there was SO much more and better they could have done...

PerfectPeony2 · 21/05/2019 17:32

PorpentinaScamander

Jon’s linage. He wouldn’t have been able to get past the dragon to kill Dany, and the dragon would have killed him but he didn’t because he was Targaryen blood.

Honeyroar · 21/05/2019 17:49

@Laurie I explained my points, it wasn’t just my prejudices! You might not agree with them as I don’t with your opinion on Sansa. Chill out!

PorpentinaScamander · 21/05/2019 17:53

@hiddenmnetter that's kind of what I thought

blancheduboiss · 21/05/2019 18:21

Bran on the throne is definitely a GRRM ending me thinks. Considering the writers go by shock factor, it didn’t seem like a very Dan and Dave move.

Justme10 · 21/05/2019 18:25

I'm sure I've read GRRM has said he's gonna end the books differently, who knows though 😂

picklemepopcorn · 21/05/2019 18:30

I'm shocked anyone thinks Dany's decline was fast! She was unstable from the get go. Her sanguine killing of enemies and opponents was very different from Ned's steeling himself to do it himself so he'd never take it lightly.

picklemepopcorn · 21/05/2019 18:32

And Bran's story isn't just his, it's the 3 eyed raven's story of the whole country in time.

Sansa never has to be anyone's pawn again. Jon is free. Tyrion is busy being clever and running the kingdom.

Drogosnextwife · 21/05/2019 18:49

I feel deflated after watching it. I mean I can see how it would probably have worked out that way if it was actually real life, but it isn't and I was hoping for a much more exciting and emotional ending. I kept checking the time thinking, how the fuck will they tie up all these loose ends in 20 mins. Turns out they do it badly, that's how.
Also so much for fucking family and the starks being so close, they all sent one brother away (well cousin) and then buggered off probably never to see each other again WTF!

ItsAllGone19 · 21/05/2019 20:51

I'm sure I've read GRRM has said he's gonna end the books differently, who knows though

I'll be drawing my pension before that lazy git finishes the books I haven't turned 40 yet

Bibijayne · 21/05/2019 20:54

I liked Sansa's ending.

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sorenipples · 21/05/2019 21:59

My theory is there is more to the white walkers/3 eye raven and the plan is it will all make sense after the proposed prequel.

I also think that they have left it open for a sequel set 10 or so years in the future. Possibly this isn't the even the end of the books, just a pause. I thought Dany's death was very open ended. Stab wounds to the heart have precedent for not being permanently fatal. Bran having died in the cave has been brushed under the carpet. Maybe the 3 eyed raven is still to be revealed as the big bad. Gendry feels like he was kept alive for a reason, episode 3 needed more deaths. 10 years time he could be a viable candidate for the throne. Sansa or someone could launch a search for Jon who could have grown into an almost mythical folk hero. Arya could return. What happened to the pack surviving? It ended with lone wolves.

DroningOn · 21/05/2019 22:00

Tied up the loose ends well and yet somehow a bit unfulfilling

Was sure that when Jon went north of the wall right at the end he was going to see a white walker in the distance

Justme10 · 22/05/2019 00:50

@ItsAllGone19 too many people want a different ending, he would be stupid not to finish the books now I think

ItsAllGone19 · 22/05/2019 05:34

@Justme10 I honestly think he's scared of if/has writers block and doesn't actually know how to finish the books. He's gone down massively in my estimation over the last 10 years. He's had a decade longer actually but just for arguments sake use the TV show running time to write winds of winter but has fucked about with prequel stories instead. GRRM does not give a shit about what fans want so the petulant clamouring of the internet demanding a rewrite is just going to make him laugh.

strawberrypenguin · 22/05/2019 07:03

I firmly believe that we will never get a book ending from GRRM. Any very slim chance of that disappeared when there was no announcement after the last episode.
Having had a couple of days for it to settle I'm happy with the tv end so that will be my ending.

Justme10 · 22/05/2019 09:14

I'm definitely a books over the tv show/movie type person and it would be such a shame if the books go unfinished. I do agree now that I've thought about the ending we've had I do like it more than when I just watched though

RoseW963 · 22/05/2019 13:20

Ruler? Conqueror? I’m not sure if by virtue of her birth she can be classed as a conqueror or not of Westeros but the one thing that is certain is that she didn’t actually take the north by force either way, their King willingly chose to kneel to her.

As for then wanting to take Kings Landing and the rest of the kingdoms, how is it much different than the Baratheons and Starks taking Westeros by force themselves? They didn’t exactly do so by peaceful means and it can be said that they done so for their own gain.

I won’t justify how Daenerys took places in Essos as dependent on who you are in that situation and what you lose or gain will dictate how you see her. However, I don’t think that you can make much of a distinction between ruler or conqueror and wether that makes her worse than others as in most cases, all land is taken by force at some point and she done so no differently then any other person. Westeros itself was taken from the children by the first men - ancestors of the Starks no less - hence the need for them to create the white walkers in the first place.

Apart from Kings Landing, she also didn’t ‘destroy’ anywhere, at least no more so than any other typical battle would. As for Kings Landing she never had any plans to burn it all down, she said so herself once she arrived that she did not want to be queen of the ashes. Which is why her doing so doesn’t make much sense when people are justifying it by saying her actions throughout the show foreshadowed this outcome. Even her burning the Tarleys didn’t foreshadow it. Morally ambiguous? Sure. But no more so then Sansa killing Ramsey by having him eaten alive by the hounds or many other killings in this show.

Bran has been shown to directly intervene in the events of the show more than once - saving Jon, Hodor, the knife, knowledge of Jon’s birth - so no I don’t believe he couldn’t of intervened in Kings Landing if he wished to. As for him not doing so for ‘the greater good’, sure but then how is he any better of a ruler if so? He isn’t.

On to Westeros not being Daenerys home, where was if not there? She was born in Dragonstone and her home was taken from her by the Baratheons and Starks. She was a child, innocent and with no means to take it back until she was older, much younger then any of the Starks were when their home was lost. Her family had lived there for generations. If that’s not the definition of home then I don’t know what is.

My point is that no character is ‘good’ in this show and if I’m not mistaken, that’s actually what George Martin himself has wanted to portray. All the characters have made questionable choices in the want to survive and thrive and in the name of revenge and justice. As for the ending, I was actually expecting Daenerys to die and Sansa to become queen, I just think it was all done so rather disappointingly. They changed the characters traits to fit their timeline, plot holes that didn’t make much sense, had many subplots for lack of better term not amount to much, took out the creative twists and made it where the ‘good’ guys won and the ‘bad’ guys lost which is not what Game of Thrones was so popular for.

However that’s just my opinion, it’s interesting to see how different others view it all.

RoseW963 · 22/05/2019 14:32

Just to also add regarding Daenerys and her foreign army, it could be argued that Sansa and Jon both took Winterfell back with what could be called foreign armies. Jon had the wildlings that made up most of his force who were seen as invaders themselves. They weren’t even part of the seven kingdoms, let alone the north. Sansa then rode in last minute with the Vale who, whilst being part of the seven kingdoms, was also not of the north. Of course dothraki and unsullied aren’t truly comparable to the Vale but then neither are the wildlings and giants.

In fact, it could also be said that Sansa and Jon actually fought against the north as didn’t the larger northern houses fight with Ramsey against the Starks and then some other houses chose to not stand with them at all hence their need for an army outside of the northern houses 🤷🏻‍♀️

ThatssomebadhatHarry · 22/05/2019 15:36

I don’t know what the issue is with Bran. He wheeled in to the meeting at the end and then left the decisions to Tyrion. Tyrion is now the real power in the seven kingdoms. I think this was a good plan. Bran is King in name only and a figure head who is happy to let Tyrion make the decisions for the good of the people.

DobbysLeftSock · 22/05/2019 16:09

My main issue is that he's fucking boring.

Also, we keep being told how Tyrion is so clever. He hasn't done anything clever in the last 2 seasons!