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SPOILERS - GoT Finale thread

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Bibijayne · 20/05/2019 23:42

Anyone else think Jon got a really terrible deal in the end?

I know IABU to want a happy ending. It was never going to happen, but I'm still bummed about it.

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Morgan12 · 21/05/2019 07:20

I was very pissed off with the time jump after Jon killed Dany. They keep skipping over scenes that should have been included.

And Greyworm telling them to choose a King or Queen. Nah mate who the fuck are you. How does he even have a say. An unsullied from Essos who's Queen has been killed has zero say.

Also why was there even an argument about who rules. Jon is the heir. Or if we get technical about it, Gendry is. Either would have been better than just choosing Bran. Personally I think it should have been Jon. He is a miserable bastard anyway. Let him be miserable in the South.

Arya should have killed Cersei while wearing Jaimes face.

D&D fucked up big time. I genuinely think I could have done better.

InsertFunnyUsername · 21/05/2019 07:24

Im not shocked bran was crowned king but i think it was just a bit .. Flat?

Him getting pushed out of the window is what really started it all, and jons true home was the north so im not disappointed with his story.

But arya, i felt like they could have handled her faceless man training better. I was hoping she would show the starks her changing faces as she sets off to sail westeros. Like jaqen did. I can see why some people are disappointed tbh.

Also dothraki and unsullied travel all that way with dany, many fights/wars and just accept shes been killed and stroll off home, that was an anti climax for me.

RoseW963 · 21/05/2019 07:25

I love previous seasons of this show and I would have no issue with the way Game of Thrones ended if only it was done so intelligently. The cast and crew, including the two main writers, have done beyond fantastic overall but unfortunately the story arcs this past season(s) in my opinion have been poorly written and executed. There are many ways in which it could of been improved to match the high expectations set in the beginning but away from all of that, it’s the final message that really does astound me.

How exactly is the so called wheel broken??

Bran - the three eyed raven who sees the past, present and future, also now the new King of the ‘six’ kingdoms who got there by choosing to allow thousands to die for this to happen. It’s been shown many times that he sees the future. It’s also shown that he has intervened in the future more than once, most notably after he was willing to use Daenerys and her armies to essentially save himself from the Night King only to then insist that Sam was to inform Jon of the details surrounding his birth knowing the discord this would sew, the chain reaction it would cause and the path it would help Daenerys go down. It then follows that he could of saved thousands from death by either not helping Jon learn of his parentage or by making it known what was in store for Kings Landing before it happened. All this from the man who said he could not be lord of Winterfell but when asked if he would be king his response was ‘Why do you think I came all this way?’ He had the power to prevent what happened yet didn’t. This was the path he chose to follow all in service for him to become king. How exactly does this make him a better ruler?? By my calculations it makes him the worst of all.

The fact that Sansa is hailed as a queen now despite doing nothing to deserve it really does confuse me from the writers point of view. She has literally had to be rescued from every situation she found herself in - from the Hound preventing her from being raped, Olenna and Little finger helping her escape Kings Landing, Theon killing Myranda and helping her escape Ramsay (remember, the guy she willingly married after finally being free just to become a prisoner again) to Little finger once again saving her and Jon in the battle for Winterfell (something she seems to think she should be praised for?? The Vale fought for him, not her and he only helped because he was attracted to her, not for anything she had accomplished). When it came to the battle with the Night King she hid like a coward whilst her ‘people’ she professes to care so much about (including women and children who were no better fighters then her) died fighting for the north. Daenerys, the queen she held so much animosity towards when instead she should of been filled with gratitude, fought more for the north than Sansa ever did. Even without getting into more reasons, of which there is plenty, I fail to see how anyone would choose to stand by a queen who cannot even protect herself, let alone her people. She is there by virtue of birth only, her name, which stands in complete opposition of the message they had just told.

They have apparently broken the wheel by insisting that new kings and queens will be chosen, not born, yet the people who got to choose this new king and likely will choose future rulers are from a selection of people also born into their position, not chosen themselves.

This ‘broken wheel’ doesn’t seem so broken to me.

kaytee87 · 21/05/2019 07:28

I feel like everyone ended up where they were meant to actually. A series like that couldn't have ended with happily ever after for everyone.

kaytee87 · 21/05/2019 07:31

Grey worm got a say, as in his mind at that moment he was next in command. His queen had made him master of war, the previous closest advisors were either dead or in jail.

InsertFunnyUsername · 21/05/2019 07:36

I do like that they have supposedly took out the birth right claim to the throne, but like a PP suggested the Lords will choose so how much the wheel is broken is debatable.

Drogon burning the throne, rather than killing jon was good viewing. 1. Jon is a tygaearen dragons don't kill their own do they? It was more her determination for the iron throne that killed her.

Skittlesss · 21/05/2019 07:38

I feel like they read all the fan theories and picked the one least likely.

It sucks. This whole final series has been rushed, shite and relied on dark/smoky scenes.

kaytee87 · 21/05/2019 07:39

Do you think drogon burned the throne so no one else could sit on it or because he understood it was really the throne that killed Dany?

kaytee87 · 21/05/2019 07:40

I don't know why they didn't make the last season a couple of episodes longer, there was bits that were missed that could have been explored more, Dany going mad and Jon presumably confessing to killing Dany and being captured. I think it's obvious Jon confesses as it wouldn't be honourable to lie about it.

InsertFunnyUsername · 21/05/2019 07:48

I took it as drogon knowing that is what killed her (and his brothers) could be wrong though. I have seen people complain that drogon didn't kill jon or go on a burning spree after she had been killed, that is what made me think he accepted it was the quest for the throne, so simply took her away.

Mammyloveswine · 21/05/2019 07:50

Fucking bran... hate his smug face. Raging!

Why was Brienne not pregnant with Jamie's baby? Totally thought that was going to be in the book.she wrote!

Bronn randomly being on the council.. wtf?

Davos also correcting grammar when he couldn't bloody read in earlier series!

And fucking Greyworm lording it about the place! Give me strength!

Absolute shit.

Also i love Tyrion but no way would he have survived

Breeindisguise · 21/05/2019 07:55

Yeah Drogon knew it was Dani's quest for the throne that killed her and that's why he burnt it. He was saying "I'm taking her and I'm off, I want nothing more to do with it"
Drogon couldn't have flamed JS as he is a Targ. They don't burn.

InsertFunnyUsername · 21/05/2019 08:02

I do think they should have had more episodes and went into a bit more detail. Because everything does make sense, but it just felt like they skimmed over everything to get there!

Yamayo · 21/05/2019 08:03

Sansan has been shown throughout the past 2 seasons trying to prepare against the walkers with the means at her disposal. She's been storing food for everyone and trying to gather the people as much as she could.

I don't get how people don't understand her 'animosity' towards Danaerys. After years of shit the North has finally got its independence, only for dragons and a foreign army to show up. With a not-very-stable queen. No wonder Sansa was freaked out.

And Greyworm telling them to choose a King or Queen. Nah mate who the fuck are you. How does he even have a say. An unsullied from Essos who's Queen has been killed has zero say.
Absolutely.
And he would have killed Tyrion straight away to respect his queen's last wishes.

But award for most stupid? Jon (who had an abysmal last season) telling everyone he'd killed Dany. No body, no proof. He could have planned a calmer transition. Idiot.

Nousernameforme · 21/05/2019 08:04

It was rushed and messy.
With jon if he had ended up anywhere but north of the wall he would have been king of somewhere and didnt want that.

I still cant see why grey worm didnt go nuts after he found out dany was dead. Why imprison jon and not kill him.
Also when did the dothraki become so tame. Why are they not off pillaging westeros, its full of riches you would think some warrior would put himself forward as khal and fill their boots.

Bran the broken is just rude tbh. He was the worst choice to be king. He could have gone with the maesters and used his knowledge of all time.

Maybe sam as king i can't see how he can be a maester with a family. Thats just been glossed over.

Trouble is i don't think there was a good choice for monarch not really.

InsertFunnyUsername · 21/05/2019 08:04

Isnt only "true dragons" dont burn, thats why dany knew it wasn't her brother. Also jon burnt his hand throwing the lantern at the white walker in season 1. But yes i agree about drogon.

RoseW963 · 21/05/2019 08:04

That was meant to say ‘more intelligently’ but I can’t edit my post.

kaytee87 · 21/05/2019 08:05

Bronn wasn't randomly on the council he was promised all of his 'lofty titles' in previous episodes.

InsertFunnyUsername · 21/05/2019 08:06

*it

ItsAllGone19 · 21/05/2019 08:08

There were a few happy endings. Brienne is head of the Kingsguard, which is why she finishes Jaime's entry in the Kingsguard book which also confirms Jaime was never replaced as head of Kingsguard for several years when he wasn't there, Pod became a knight, Arya didn't have to be a lady, Jon was back in the North away from power games and Grey Worm got to fulfil his promise to Missandeispelling? by sailing to Naarth to protect the country from those who would enslave it.

Given that Martin was too fucking lazy to finish the story himself I'm satisfied that I have an ending to the books.

gettingbacktoresearch · 21/05/2019 08:25

This is an interesting read as to why it changed through the series.... blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/the-real-reason-fans-hate-the-last-season-of-game-of-thrones/?redirect=1

pikapikachu · 21/05/2019 08:30

Dany's death was shit. After a lot of shots focusing on Greyworm's face last week I really thought that Arya would use Greyworm's face to kill Dany. I assume that Arya killing green eyes is something that happens after the finale. Pretty shocking that her guards are so far away that they had no clue that someone had stabbed her.

I thought that Jon looked like a sulky child travelling to Castle Black. He's lucky not to have ended like Uncle Ned. Thank goodness he petted Ghost. I dread the memes if he didn't.

The shot of Sansa with a crown at the end was very similar to Cersei on the Iron Throne. Think Sansa might be more like Cersei than she knows.

I don't understand why more kingdoms didn't want to be independent. Breaking up the 7 kingdoms into independent regions makes more sense imho.

GreytExpectations · 21/05/2019 08:43

I agree that it was rushed but apart from that I'm actually quite pleased with it. I was sad for Jon, he deserved more respect and should have made the choice to go North, not be banished there but he will be happy in the end as its where his "true family" are. Him being a Targarayon seemed pointless except that it meant the dragon couldnt kill him.
No, I don't like Bran but i agree him as king makes the most sense. Happy that Sansa is queen of the North and Arya is off exploring.
Overall, the show would never please everyone as fans all have different theories but to those that are pissed, what did you really want? This was the last ever episode they couldnt exactly make it some big twist or action packed as itd have left too many loose ends.
Dany turning mad was predicted ages ago and i think people fail to remember this whole time she was building her army to burn down Kings Landing, which is what she did. Jon killing her like that made the most sense.

Overall, a great show which a slightly rushed final season but a good finale and I look forward to the spin offs

CoraPirbright · 21/05/2019 08:45

Thrilled that my favourites survived - Brienne, Tormund and Davos!

I liked the fact that Jon killed Dany but didn't like his ending. Who would want to live in a fur tent in the freezing cold (even if your tent-mate could be the awesome Tormund Grin). Glad he was nice to his wolf at the end.

How on earth did Bronn end up on the council? All along he made much of the fact he was a man of action and had little or no education....and now he is master of coin?! Wtf?? And the people who promised him titles etc were dead!!

I am guessing the fans love the fact that Samwell presented Tyrion with the book - hasn’t there long been a thing that Sam is actually GRRM himself?

And Bran is so bloody annoying and dull so I didn’t like him ending up as king. The only thing I really liked was when that Tully bloke (Black Jack) stood up to put himself forward and Sansa just shut him down “sit down, Uncle”!! Grin

The whole thing was so badly written and seemed rushed. Cersei’s ending was awful - just so dull and pedestrian. She should have at least been frizzled by Dany and Drogon.

NauseousMum · 21/05/2019 08:59

To be honest what annoyed me was when Bran warged back in time, it looks like he fucked with the kings mind causing him to become the mad king, causing all the shit to hit the fan. Then at the end he reaps all the benefits.

Not a very good brother, thankfully Tyrion and the council will do his King work.

I was pretty underwhelmed. The endings were ok, nothing special, but it felt so so rushed. They needed to flesh out the last two seasons more.

Plus i don't think Jon should have bent the knee, but i think being betrayed and murdered messed with his mind.