To think throwing milkshakes over people is disgusting?

[GrumpyCatLives]

So apparently it’s okay to chuck milkshakes over people we disagree with?

Now, I do not like Tommy Robinson, Carl Sargon, or Farage. However, I think that chucking cold food at them, or threatening to, is pathetic. If you disagree with them, then debate them. Take down their argument intelligently. Chucking a cheap milkshake makes you look like a toddler.

What happens at the ballot box is only the tip of the iceberg in any democracy though.

Lies, racism, fake promises, unbalanced media exposure, illegal spending in elections, illegal information gathering and targeting, questionable and/or foreign funding, etc all threaten to undermine democracy.

@MangoFeverDream I wish it was as simple as the ballot box being the voice of the people.

With the media giving constant airtime to Farage and Robinson, there are certain sections of society which will vote for them because to them, it's no longer taboo to vote that way.
Look at the areas of the country in extreme poverty, hit even harder by austerity, cuts and Universal Credit who still voted blindly for the Conservatives because the press told them to believe that Corbyn is a fan of hugging them nasty terrorists and will practically give their first born to ISIS and foreigners their jobs and housing. All rubbish but for a large section of society, the only way they learn about politics is through the gutter press. I certainly didn't learn any politics at school either, meaning for about ten years I never voted as I didn't really understand it.

Now we also have the fact that we did have a democratic vote, where people put their voices out there via the ballot box. Which three years later is being ignored, denounced and threatened with a non-democratic second vote. There will be those who voted in that, some for the first time, who wonder why they bothered or are left feeling that their voice mattered less than another, more economically, socially or financially louder voice.
(*And I think that as a remain voter)

Lifecraft

What you mean by that is "you can't say bad stuff and then not expect people to respond with physical violence

What I mean is exactly what I wrote, thanks for the patronising double-check, though! You should probably just stick to writing what you mean.

If you behave like an abhorrent arsehole in public you can't expect others to debate your bigoted, nazi bullshit agenda respectfully. When Tommy Robinson debates respectfully and without inciting violence, I'll happily condemn those who chuck stuff at him.

I don't think anyone will be persuaded by that stupid act either Premier.

{Now we also have the fact that we did have a democratic vote, where people put their voices out there via the ballot box. Which three years later is being ignored, denounced and threatened with a non-democratic second vote.}

The result of the vote in 2016 is too difficult to implement in anything less than about 10 years due to the sheer complexity of the integration between the UK and the EU. To suggest otherwise suggests you have no clue about the workings of the EU and international laws.
There are also issues over lying and illegal funds being used to 'promote' leave that have not been properly investigated.
Another vote now, or soon would be just as valid as the one in 2016.

Tbh I think about time I think the only way politicians are going to understand the depth of feelings

The 'easiest deals ever' have proven to be a lot more difficult than promised.
Leaving without a deal will totally trash the UK economy by being on 'basic' WTO tariffs, which in real terms means that everything will become around 10% more expensive from the day the UK leaves.
If you are happy with this then by all means leave, but you have to understand that it will not be unicorns and cake.

"Now we also have the fact that we did have a democratic vote, where people put their voices out there via the ballot box. Which three years later is being ignored, denounced and threatened with a non-democratic second vote."

Actually it was only an advisory referendum, not a legally binding vote. Having a second referendum isn't non-democratic in the slightest. It's perfectly democratic to re-poll a question a number of years after asking the first time. That's kind of what elections every 5 years are for....

StormTreader the government fucked up in framing the referendum as a legally binding ‘we’ll do whatever you say’ vote, when in reality as you say a referendum is an opinion canvassing tool, it’s not something where you automatically have to go with the majority. They should have always made it clear what a referendum is as most of the public don’t seem to have a clue what the difference is between that and a legally binding vote.

@1tisILeClerc if you read what I wrote, I'm well aware of the inner workings and the utter cluster fuck which will occur by trying to work out a deal in three years for Brexit.
Sadly, for everyone like me who knew the government was talking shite by giving the 29th March as Brexit day, there are countless others who did not.
So to them, democracy is a lie, they know very well that we could still be arguing over it for years to come. Frankly, I think political parties as we know them are over.
Brexit is our Northern Ireland- go one way and you'll piss off the remainers. Go the other way and you'll piss off the leavers. There is no simple answer at this point.
I've always believed that Cameron was so sure no one would ever really vote leave so he did it to shut people up. Then May lied to everyone-there's no way they could have thought it feasible that we could negotiate in that short a time.
I genuinely think Farage is just the start. The Greens and Lib Dems- parties that were always trailing like a lame duck until recently- are doing better than the two main parties.

The sad fact is, the likes of Farage, Robinson and even Mogg and Johnson are, directly and indirectly the reason why racism is on the rise, they whipped up ill will towards anyone with relatives born outside the UK with their campaigning and now they seem shocked that the people who have had a gut full of that abuse are launching milkshake at them.

@Stoemtreader, see above.

Good advertising for Five Guys, I tried a banana and caramel shake today after hearing about this and thinking it sounded good. Bloody lovely.

{ I'm well aware of the inner workings and the utter cluster fuck which will occur by trying to work out a deal in three years for Brexit. }

Some people are aware of the severe problems, but far too many have no clue whatsoever.

Do you remember this event? No? Probably because it didn't make the front page of newspapers, nobody made a fuss, now taking to court business. This sort of thing has been happening for decades. Farage should just get over himself.

@premiernaps
That’s disgusting (behaviour from the vegans).

The country is in a bit of a shit place tbh. Labour politicians trying to assault people they don’t agree with, vegans assaulting children.

Good advertising for Five Guys, I tried a banana and caramel shake today after hearing about this and thinking it sounded good. Bloody lovely.

Does it really cost £5.25?

GrumpyCatLives

I agree. She’s woman’s officer for Barrow in Furness as well as a candidate.

So if your child did this to someone at school, say, you would be ok with it? yet some people on here say that it is justified!

the country is in a terrible place and while farage whips up a frenzy about brexit- which even brexiteers admit will result in major job losses and make us poorer for at least a generation - all the other stuff is being neglected...strange times indeed.

@callmeadoctor context dear.
I doubt anyone my pair are peers of are wannabe dictators trying to tear apart the very fabric of our country. They certainly don't spring up on Newsnight on the regular spouting bollocks.
And actually, I do tell my two to stick up for themselves. Not via violence granted but then I don't think a milkshake down the teflon suit is violence. A minor inconvenience yes. Hilarious for the rest of us normal folk, indeed. Violence? Nope.
I also think we should all be disgusted that the Police are wasting their time on it when we are told every day there are huge levels of cuts leading to actual extreme violence going through the roof. That's the crime here. A twat in a suit gets milkshaked- send in the Rozzzers. County Lines/gangs/grooming- oh sorry we have no cash for that.

So if your child did this to someone at school, say, you would be ok with it?

If the other student had spent years publicly peddling lies and inciting hatred, racism, division, likening immigrants to rats while repeatedly refusing to engage in meaningful debate or acknowledge the harm their rhetoric was doing then yeah, I wouldn't be too fussed.

But as it's unlikely another school child would have done this, we're talking about completely different scenarios and as such, it's a rather spurious analogy. What happened to Farage (and Yaxley-Lennon) was a consequence of a couple of people finally getting fucked off - quite mildly, when all's said and done - with years of their dangerous, deadly propaganda.

Yawn. Those defending the behaviour with the suggestion that “they don’t listen to us so therefore there’s no point in trying to debate them” seem to be under the illusion that we think they would listen. That isn’t the point. The argument is so much bigger than whether one little idiot with crazy views is correct or not - it’s about freedom of speech. Without freedom of speech we have nothing and we should defend the right to freedom of speech with everything we have.

you honestly think only one person on this thread has any knowledge about the fight against facism? Really?

Fight against fascism...don't make me laugh. The milkshake throwers are the recruiting sergeants for fascism.

I've always believed that Cameron was so sure no one would ever really vote leave so he did it to shut people up.

I am 100% sure you are right - and for those of us old enough to remember the last leave/remain referendum in 1975, it is amazing how similar the circumstances are - Harold Wilson had Leavers in the cabinet and in his party and in order to shut them up he said - we'll let the people decide and then you can all shut up. Of course that vote went the other way and the EU hadn't become the EU yet at that point.

but you did say You're the only person on this thread that has shown any kind of rationale attitude and knowledge

so what did you mean? - shes the only person here who has any knowledge of what? the cable street riots? demos? what?

whats a rationale attitude btw?