To be pissed off over eggs?

[cricketmum84]

Ok I know this is totally a first world problem but I'm feeling rather pissed off today so this could be the last straw lol!

My DH went to the supermarket this morning and I had put "free range eggs" on the list. I'm a vegetarian, almost vegan but not quite given up cheese yet. I'm quite hot on animal welfare.

He came back from the shops with eggs from caged hens. Doesn't see anything wrong with this at all and says because I don't eat eggs I don't get a say. I say that I don't want eggs from caged hens in my house and I don't want my family contributing to the survival of that industry.

Am I just being a moody cow today or do I have a point??

Personally speaking there are enough other things to worry about than this.
I only wish my life and that of many was as simple as getting worked up about eggs.
At least you have choice and are not starving like so many.

What's the point of posting in AIBU if you're going to get shirty when you don't like answers?

I think it’s fine to do a bit of good, or try to do a bit of good - and eating ethically comes in to that. The vegan threads always lead to people desperate to find hypocrisy, as if the only way to live is to do whatever the fuck you like and close your mind to any suffering rather than change one thing.

@cricketmum84 unfortunately some vegans can be guilty of this, it’s so hypocritical.

They’re quite happy to drive around in their cars made from animal by products, eat vegetables and bread when millions of animals have died during production, drink almond milk (killing fish and bees) and then flying off to Bali and destroying the planet in the process - but by god someone who’s not vegan enough and eats some cheese is the devil.

Sweetsandcrisps I think non-vegans are just as guilty - look at the number of posters on here saying basically, don’t bother because of (bees, packaging, CO2, supermarket production....). Happy to have a pop but very reluctant to share what they do that makes a difference.

I’m mainly plant based for environmental reasons, I just did meat free Monday and enjoyed it so much I carried on. If I’m at a restaurant and something comes with cheese on, I don’t complain or send it back because it’s been made at that point and I think the waste is worse; the restaurant would probably throw it away or something!

Eat the eggs your DH has bought because they’re bought now, and look into local eggs you can buy instead. Your local butcher could well be your key to this! Same for honey. Buy local honey because the beekeepers are actually skilled, and it can build your tolerance to hay fever too. Shave syrup also isn’t the best for the environment.

Oat milk is better than almond or cashew, plus we can make it more locally (ie in this country!) because we can grow oats here.

Cheese I can do without; but for a cheese board (like at Christmas) I use a farmers’ market with local cheeses and you can tell the farmers really care about their animals. I found mine our borough’s website.

To be honest; cheese and eggs should probably be a sometimes food anyway. I use vegan egg substitute for scrambled eggs and it’s okay, but I’ll be looking out for the launch of Just egg substitute later in the year (check it out online!) Look to utilise less dairy where you can at the outset, and what you really enjoy; keep but choose local instead.

People do get very VERY arsey about vegans or people transitioning from veg-vegan. I’ve noticed that myself and I’m not even vegan. It’s not wrong to look at what you’re consuming and wonder if you could do better... even if it takes a few years of experimentation and getting it wrong!

The world doesn’t need a few perfect plant based eaters or people following the perfect zero waste lifestyle. It needs millions of people doing it imperfectly, every day. Good luck OP!

@lucciddreams when people talk about eggs and hens they’re talking about domesticated breeds. Their egg laying has nothing to do with wierd feed. That’s just how they are. Also hens aren’t genetically modified. GM refers to gene splicing not selective breeding (although obviously that is a form of genetic modification if you remove the standard meaning from the word). You are essentially removing standard meaning from words to create pseudo facts. Yes wild varieties of chicken may lay very little but that’s categorically untrue of domesticated breeds. Saying that chickens on farms lay 400x then normal amount of eggs because of what they are being fed is a lie. They are laying that much because that is how much their breed lays. They lays 400x more than wild chickens because they have been bred to do so. Don’t lie and people won’t pull you up on it.

The world doesn’t need a few perfect plant based eaters or people following the perfect zero waste lifestyle. It needs millions of people doing it imperfectly, every day.

This is such a brilliant way to put it, that’s exactly what I was trying to say 👍

@punperthepumper I think it’s more that people get annoyed when people claim to be making ethical choices when they aren’t. Veganism can be very beneficial to the environment but is often worse that a moderated and local omnivorous diet.

@PCohle show me where I've been shorty?

Apart from the comment. I'll give you that one.

Pumperthepumper I’m veggie, I don’t drive, I recycle, I grow my own vegetables, I keep my own rescued chickens but according to lots of vegans I’m a horrible evil person because I eat honey. I certainly don’t judge meat eaters at all but some vegans can be bloody annoying hypocrites that can be so pushy, smug and evangelical...sorry 😂

My friend eats meat but she also only buys ethical clothing because she cares about human beings. She doesn’t judge me for buying high street...

I really don’t ever see meat eaters judging me, sorry only vegans seem to do that.

@sweetsandcrisps again, I see from your post; 2 conscious humans trying to make a difference, doing their bit imperfectly every day. What a wonderful thing. Both equally valid lifestyle choices.

@BogglesGoggles how did I lie when I said free range hens living conditions aren't much better than caged hens? That is the comment I was told I was spouting nonsense about, not your post.
As for nit picking how I word things I'm sorry my points aren't perfectly worded to your satisfaction I'll try better next time just for you 

@ziggiestardust so perfectly put

"It's funny that my OP was basically my DH didn't follow the list with some additional background info on why I had specified free range eggs and it's turned into a cricketmum bashing over not being vegan enough."

Seems pretty shirty to me 🤷‍♀️

It’s also why I prefer the community that calls itself ‘plant based’ rather than ‘vegan’. The vegan sites/forums/FB groups seem to be quite toxic, from what I’ve found personally... there’s this kind of weird gatekeeping that goes on and I really don’t understand it. The plant based community is totally the opposite from my experience, and tend to be a bit more relaxed, support each other in choices and provide positivity to one another rather than ranting to each other about their flaws.

Millions of being doing meat free Monday every week; what a huge difference that would make!!

I bet you wish you never mentioned the bloody cheese! My DH would have done something like this, not because he is an arse, because he just wouldn't have looked. Tell him to be more careful next time. People are very passionate about this which can only be a good thing.

Also @sweetsandcrisps there’s mounting evidence that shows we’re better off eating local honey from registered beekeepers (so not mass produced/supermarket own stuff) rather than agave and other vegan alternatives

@luciddreams you said that the ‘average chicken’ lays 20 eggs a year. I’m not nit picking when I say that’s a lie.

There are lots of really good reasons why we should treat hens with respect or even stop consuming eggs altogether (one could argue the two go hand in hand). Lying for effect undermines the argument. Just don’t.

ziggiestardust Yes I get my honey locally it tastes much better. I really don’t understand why vegans are so apposed to eating honey anyway? How do they think their fruit is grown/pollinated? - Commercial bee farms....

I am not sure you get a say if you don't eat eggs and didn't do the shopping.
I didn't eat meat for years - but I didn't monitor the welfare standards of the meat other family members ate.

As for everyone calling you a hypocrite, it must be great to be so perfect. I. Sure they’ve never eaten meat, drank milk, eaten cheese, wore leather hmm you’re doing your bit and I’m sure you’ll cut the cheese out in time.

But the OP was the one who was judging her husband for buying eggs from caged hens. Surely "it must be great to be so perfect" applies to the OP, too?

Is there a "certified humane" label for eggs in the UK like we have in the US?
certifiedhumane.org/makes-certified-humane-cage-free-eggs-different-cage-free-eggs/

@BogglesGoggles I did apologise and correct it to wild chickens on my post after

@sweetsandcrisps I think it might be the commercially produced farms; apparently they can cause quite a bit of damage to the animals themselves which... I mean that’s same old same old with commercial farming! You’re more likely to have hayfever relief with local honey too

I get that it’s more expensive, as are locally sourced eggs/cheese. But then, all of those foods probably should be sometimes foods anyway, so eating a bit less of them certainly won’t hurt the old waistline!

ziggiestardust Yes I’m aware of that which is why I buy local honey, but the commercial bees used in vegetable/fruit farming suffer too - vegans don’t seem to give a toss about those bees x