To dob these men into their work?

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Not a pearl clutcher in general, but am in two minds on this one...

Yesterday on the (very crammed) train home there were a group of about a dozen blokes essentially effing and blinding and cunting at top volume all the way home, just generally being very vocally laddish and objectionable. Including having a great old joke at the "jumper" who had caused the problems the line that evening.

My little cousin was with me, but I still chickened out in contronting them and as per usual did the very British thing of seething impotently instead.

They were all in their company polo shirts.

Part of me really wants to contact their company and let them know about it. Part of me thinks I'm sounding like a grumpy old women before my time.

Looking to Mumsnetters to give my head a wobble either way on this!

If it was as objectionable as you say, going way beyond sweary conversation or laddish banter, then I would tell their employer.

Any small business owner would want to know that their business was being brought into disrepute.

I doubt they'd lose their jobs but they'd probably be disciplined - good. Maybe they'll tone it down in future and you'll have saved many more people from having to silently suffer their dickish behaviour.

To the pp telling you to move, report or challenge - not always easy to move on a packed train, not always easy to find someone to report it to (until it's too late), not everyone is brave enough to challenge a bunch of loadmouthed oafs.

In fact, that's what they bank on isn't it? No one challenging them? Because they definitely knew that they were being loud and obnoxious, that the people around them were not particularly enjoying themselves, yet they didn't care one bit. Maybe a ticking off from their boss will sharpen their mind regarding the correct way to behave in public.

It’s interesting that people think the OP should have stepped in but the men themselves had no responsibility to have a word with each other. In a reasonably large group,

Ah see you don't understand, men don't actually need to be responsible for their own actions, and they don't need to consider anyone else. They are just having a laugh, they can behave however they like

Op, how would you feel if they got the sack.

Op, how would you feel if they got the sack.

Oh come on. There's no evidence, nobody is going to get fired, it wouldn't stand up at an employment tribunal. But a responsible company would take the opportunity to remind all staff that their behaviour in public reflects on the company.

As for people saying the OP is ridiculous for not dealing with it directly with the men, ot wasn't so long ago that a man was stabbed to death in front of his son after an altercation on a train. Very few people would speak up to a group of loud and intimidating grown men. That's pretty much what they count on.

I doubt that they would get the sack but if I was the employer I would want to stop such behaviour in future.

Op, how would you feel if they got the sack.

Why should OP feel anything if that happened? (Not that she'd know).

In the extremely unlikely event that their employer considered this a sackable offence, with no evidence at all, far less any linking it to any particular individual; they would be being sacked for their own behaviour, that they chose.

How can you possibly construe that OP was responsible for their behaviour?

Bonkers.

If you're looking at it from the pov of how would you feel if your husband was sacked for such behaviour; my answer would be; incandescent, deeply ashamed and filling in the divorce papers. Not joining him in an 'oh but we all joke publicly about suicide and shout cunt in front of children, just bantz innit', arsehole fuckwit's pity party.

"Op, how would you feel if they got the sack."

It wouldn't be ops fault if they did. It would be their fault. For behaving in a wholly objectionable and offensive way, in public, in their work uniform.

But I doubt it would come to that. They'll say their behaviour wasn't that bad and their employer don't be able to prove anything, and that will be the end of it. Except next time they're on a train they might tone it down and not behave like animals.

People do something shit in identifying work clothes. This breaches their condition of employment - we don't know that it does - they get fired. And the op is to blame....because....

To all those people saying this would be viewed as a right laugh if someone complained...

Someone I know was sacked for being overheard by many people making disparaging comments about Liverpool fans and the population of the city, referencing Heysel and Hillsborough and more recent incidents of football violence, which may or may not have been the fault of Liverpool fans.

It wasn't a working environment known for its sensitivity but unfortunately his new boss was a Liverpool FC fan from Liverpool who I guess was sick of this kind of shit.

He wasn't the only person to make the decision that it was gross misconduct that brought the company, clearly identified, into disrepute and damaged its commercial interests. More senior members of staff backed the decision that the guy was toast.

So be careful what you say when you can be identified as a member of staff. Things can change and your comfy rug can be pulled out from under you. And that's not me sticking up for those prats on the train. If you want to be a swaggering arsehole, don't do it in a company sweatshirt or else be man enough to take the consequences.

Op, how would you feel if they got the sack

Try to see it as a job creation scheme Northernparent68. Arsehole gets sacked, someone potentially better takes his place.

If they were working for me and wearing my company logo out in public, I would definitely want to hear about it.
And if they were being loud/awful but weren't drunk (and therefore potentially violent) I would have told them to either tone it down or knock it off, while staring meaningfully at the logo.

I wear company uniform. It’s made clear that if you are in public whilst wearing it, you behave as though you were still on the clock. Their behaviour was inappropriate and in your position I would report them.

I suppose the lesson learned is: don't wear your work uniform outside the workplace. Because there's always going to be some sneaky cunt looking for an excuse to virtue-signal.

And there is something dangerous and unhealthy about people who are desperate to grass other people up. Look at all the little shits on social media ,frantically trawling through everyone's years-old timelines in search of something they can trigger a pile-on over.

You don't like someone's conversation with their mates on a train? So fucking what. They are not hurting you. They don't know who you are or care about you in the least. Being in public space means encountering people who look funny, smell funny, make a noise or air an opinion you don't share. Unless they are directly pestering you, get over yourself.

I would without a second thought. Look up the company try and find the email for the Chief Exec and send a message about the staff's behaviour and that they were ridiculing a very serious matter ie suicide. If more people didn't just turn a blind eye to bad behaviour perhaps we would be a mire caring society instead of a me, me, me one.

I think the lesson should be don't behave on a public train in your work uniform any differently than you would in work or any other public space.
Keep your loud, swearing, suicide mocking behavior limited to your own family don't inflict it on other people's.
It is what is expected of dc, surely if they try really hard adult men could reach the same dizzy heights.

As boring and irrelevant as phoning school when their pupils are misbehaving on the bus, phone the parents, beyond the school gates it's not the school's responsibility.

I notice from time to time that some men just feel they have to swear in front of women - because as you know we are all dead impressed by it (not!). I mean I can cuss as much as them but can manage to string a of words together with effing all over the place.

I was in a cafe recently and as soon as I got there - their normal conversation became "Yeah when I went to the f-ing park I went and f-ing did that and f-ing did that I I said F- this etc etc. Really was not impressed. Then at the tops of their voices going on about one of them wiping his bumhole (poking around in it) to get stuff out. Glad I had just finished my meal......

"Because there's always going to be some sneaky cunt looking for an excuse to virtue-signal."

Is it virtue-signalling to say that you don't behave like a foul-mouthed, obnoxious intimidating meathead in public? Kind of feels like a low bar.

I think you should report them.
While in uniform they represent their company and I’m certain their employer would not like their reputation to be one where they mock mental health and suicide.
I think that’s what others aren’t getting here. It’s not just the swearing.
Someone felt bad enough about themselves to take their own life and these arseholes think it’s ok the make jokes about that?!?!! It’s not on.

"As boring and irrelevant as phoning school when their pupils are misbehaving on the bus, phone the parents, beyond the school gates it's not the school's responsibility."

I work in a school - we take this seriously.

Oh spare me the teenage handwringing over vengeful cowards desperate to 'grass' people up. We're not in a film of the Krays.

Yes they're representing the company they work for while in uniform so you'd be right to report them.
The company may do nothing or warn them but at least they'd know what their employees are up to off the clock in uniform.
If someone else has already done the same thing then their complaint might be upheld rather than ignored.
If there were small children on that journey I'd certainly not want them to hear that or at least not that amount of expletives by a bunch of guys who think its acceptable to behave that way in public.
It's your call though.

If this was my company I would want to know, it reflects really badly upon the company’s brand. At one of my previous roles one of the employment contract clauses was that staff had to cover their company uniform if they were off the premises to prevent just this sort of thing happening.

Joking about suicide? I would report. (Just re-read!)
If they get the sack the OP won't know and it's their fault for behaving like that in company uniform.

They may already have been reported by other passengers.