What on earth is going on in America??

[Nanny0gg]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48275795

How can a supposedly 'civilised' society pass such a retrograde law?

And other states following suit?

No, I have thankfully not been raped. I know a hero mom who became pregnant as a result of a rape and gave birth to her child so if I were to be raped and chose not to give birth I’m a failure? Ultimately my body is anyone’s to have anyone’s child!

Yes, ignore her. She won't answer any questions, she will just lie, prevaricate and engage in whataboutery. She clearly has nothing but contempt for other women, and was trained by an organisation that has some horrible views about the treatment of terminally ill. (It looks like they're aren't entitled to bodily autonomy either)

It all makes me think about that thing Madeleine Albright said about there being a special place in hell for women who don't help other women.

There are 71 studies showing a link between abortion and breast cancer.

My understanding of the age of viability is based on the fact that in my jurisdiction, stillbirth is defined as dead at delivery after 20 weeks.

It takes most couples several years to be able to adopt a child. Www.adopt.org says two to seven YEARS to adopt a healthy infant.

Oh, it's getting into who is and isn't allowed to have sex. Men are obviously allowed to have sex because it won't endanger their lives. Women should be willing to sacrifice their very lives to have sex. So...in a marriage who is the man supposed to have sex with if his wife doesn't want to risk her life?

Did you forget that I pointed out that I am in favour of eliminating circumstances that encourage women to have abortions?

There are many cases where women have their water break preterm. In those cases we give antibiotics and try to keep the baby in the mum for as long as possible. The vast majority of those mothers survive.

Agnurse, you're ducking and diving to try to avoid the logical consequences of what I'm saying. This isn't a case of pre-term breaking of waters, this is a 17 week pregnancy where the foetus could not survive, and where refusing to abort it would lead to the mother developing septicaemia and dying after a long period in agony. Are you saying that the foetus' right to life still trumps the mother's?

How is a woman supposed to know that she might die if she gets pregnant? I fall pregnant, I want my baby, I'm told continuing with my pregnancy will kill me and the baby will not survive. Are we just both supposed to die?

Funny how you only answer the questions that suit you @agnurse. Again, what's wrong with IVF? I've had it 3 times. Am I a bad person?

The man needs to recognize, then, that it isn't safe for his wife to have another baby.

Men can't have sex without consequences either. They need to take responsibility for the children they create. When did I ever say otherwise?

Did you forget that I pointed out that I am in favour of eliminating circumstances that encourage women to have abortions?

So you've got plans for eliminating rape, child abuse and life threatening illnessin fertile women. Why didn't you say?

Let's hear them. I think there's not a person alive who wouldn't be pleased to know that these can be prevented.

So what's the plan?

The problem with IVF is twofold. It presupposes that one has a right to have children. They do not. It also denies the child the right to be conceived as a visible sign of love as demonstrated by the marital union of the spouses.

If a woman's life is in danger if she becomes pregnant, she needs to not get pregnant in the first place

What should happen to women who don't find that out until after they get pregnant?

The man needs to recognize, then, that it isn't safe for his wife to have another baby.

Men can't have sex without consequences either. They need to take responsibility for the children they create. When did I ever say otherwise?

You keep avoiding the question that I have asked over and over which is what happens where the man doesn't recognise that? Where he sees it as his right and his wife's marital obligation? How do those women prevent pregnancy?

I've heard it all now

Women could get pregnant and then find out that that particular pregnancy is life threatening for all sorts of reasons.

And would you want to carry a child that was the result of your father raping you?

So we teach men not to rape. Is that not an option? We teach parents proper child rearing techniques. Again, these account for

Agnurse sounds like she quite likes the idea of women being terrified for their lives. It's like they deserve it, as punishment for being fertile.

A lot of men seem to feel like that but I'm sad to see a woman feel that way too.

It presupposes that one has a right to have children. They do not.

Just the duty, then?

Then those women need to seek out women's shelters and support services. Again, is abortion going to end the abuse?

If I were raped and became pregnant, I would absolutely keep the baby. Why is what happened the baby's fault?

Agnurse, what age are you, 8?

Ive never read such ill-informed rubbish in my life.

Did I say women had to get pregnant?

Once you're pregnant that baby is here. The only question is who will raise it.

So we teach men not to rape. Is that not an option?

It's a crime punishable by jail and men still do it.
Well done!!!
Even Jesus Christ would laugh at that.

Then those women need to seek out women's shelters and support services. Again, is abortion going to end the abuse?

Those women don't see themselves as being abused. Those women believe it is their religious duty to have sex with their husband when he wants to. So they aren't going to go to a woman's shelter.

Also all your plans to stop rape etc don't stop the here and now. What use is eliminating child abuse 50 years from now? How does that help today's pregnant 12 year old?

Consider this scenario. You're a mum with let's say three children. An armed gunman comes to your door and says he will shoot you and you may or may not survive, or he will kill your youngest child. Your choice.

Would you find it acceptable to say, "Here, kill my youngest. I still need to be here for my other two, and I don't want to leave them without a mother"?

So in that case, if a woman believes it to be her duty to have sex with her husband, how likely do you think it is that she'll want an abortion? Are you prepared to force one on her?

@agnurse you are clearly clueless about IVF. My son is the ultimate symbol of love and commitment that my husband and I have for each other by going through an emotionally and physically draining process. Are you saying my son shouldn't be here? Surely that is a better than a child born that is unwanted?