What on earth is going on in America??

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48275795

How can a supposedly 'civilised' society pass such a retrograde law?

And other states following suit?

I think it is pointless debating with agnurse, she is either being deliberately controversial or she has severe mental illness.

She is using ridiculous analogies such as comparing killing your child to taking an abortion pill at 9 weeks.

She is a hypocrite. She can't have children yet preaches to fertile women when they should have sex and what they should be allowed to do with their bodies.

She thinks women should be forced to keep pregnancies that they can't afford financially or emotionally, or give the baby up for adoption, yet she says she can't afford to adopt herself.

She completely dismisses the risks of pregnancy and childbirth yet she hasn't been pregnant herself and she exaggerates the risks of abortion.

Like most pro lifers, age is an idealistic, hypocritical liar.

Alabama have passed a bill to ban all abortion, because all life is precious, yet they have the death penalty. Surely that is the single most hypocritical thing?

If you don't want to have children, why are you engaging in activities that you know will lead to children?

Anal, it is then

(with apologies for the rather crude levity).

There are many cases where women have their water break preterm. In those cases we give antibiotics and try to keep the baby in the mum for as long as possible. The vast majority of those mothers survive.

Again, less than 2% of abortions are done for rape, incest, or to save the life of the mother.

I'm sure that more than 2% of children are abused by their parents. Does that mean we should take all children away at birth to prevent their being abused?

Again, less than 2% of abortions are done for rape, incest, or to save the life of the mother.

AGAIN you can't know that as incidents of rape are massively under-reported, incest reporting at the point of requesting a termination may also be under-reported, and even if only a miniscule proportion of abortions are to save the life of the mother so what?

Surely saying that women can travel out of Alabama to have an abortion only covers those with health care? God only knows how much it would be without it.
America is going backwards, but we can't talk.

Let's assume this is true:

Again, less than 2% of abortions are done for rape, incest, or to save the life of the mother.

Are you still in a favour of a law that criminalises abortions in those cases?

So just to get this straight, you believe that women should die to prolong the heartbeat of an embryo that has absolutely no chance of survival?

An ectopic pregnancy should presumably be left to rupture and if the woman dies of the complications that's all good because she is expendable?

Those were two separate questions. One about the pre-term rupture of membranes with a protruding sac and the other about ectopic pregnancy

Lweji she's already said she does.

She compared it to killing your children if their father commits rape. Because that's exactly the same isn't it?

Yes, I am.

Let me explain.

Is abortion going to erase what happened? Is it going to bring about justice?

If a woman's life is in danger if she becomes pregnant, she needs to not get pregnant in the first place. If she does become pregnant, she can carry the baby to viability and give birth early.

If an armed gunman came to the door and told a mother that he would shoot her and she may or may not survive, or he would kill her child, does she have the right to tell him to kill her child? What if she has more than one child and he says he will kill one child or shoot her? Can she let him kill her child so she will still be there for the other ones?

In the case of an ectopic pregnancy it is acceptable to remove the Fallopian tube. The intent is not to kill the baby. It is to save the mother. This falls under the double effect principle.

In the case of an ectopic pregnancy it is acceptable to remove the Fallopian tube. The intent is not to kill the baby. It is to save the mother. This falls under the double effect principle

And why is that different from a protruding sac and broken waters?.

agnurse have you ever been raped?

If you have it's hard to understand how you can be so black and white about how a woman might feel if she became pregnant as a result of being raped.

Having an abortion isn't anywhere near the same as killing your living breathing child.

Let’s sum up shall we, so far Agnurse has made unsubstantiated claims about rape victims and abortion; made extremely dodgy claims re: date of viability of a foetus; false claims about links between breast cancer and abortion; false claims re: suicide rates and abortion; false claims about links between maternal death and abortion; false claims about embryos and viability; and the list goes on…

So basically Agnurse thinks IVF is wrong, seems to think various/most/all forms of contraception are wrong (perhaps you’d like to confirm that one); is presumably anti the morning-after pill; thinks sex is for procreation only; is anti any form of abortion (again any exceptions there?); and is prepared to bend facts to support her beliefs…

This actually is one of the things I particularly loathe about many of the so-called pro-Life i.e. anti-Choice, anti-Women lobby, many hold up their principles and, often their Christian beliefs, as some shining moral example we should all be following but interestingly are more than happy to essentially lie when it suits them, anything to scare women, and promote their cause.

If a woman's life is in danger if she becomes pregnant, she needs to not get pregnant in the first place. If she does become pregnant, she can carry the baby to viability and give birth early.

Well, if she's raped then how does she go about not needing to get pregnant then?

No, I have thankfully not been raped. I know a hero mom who became pregnant as a result of a rape and gave birth to her child.

If a woman's life is in danger if she becomes pregnant, she needs to not get pregnant in the first place.

This is going to be deleted, but you're an arsehole for saying such things.
Let's hope your life is never in danger for something you chose to do.
But I suppose you can be sanctimonious because you can't get pregnant.

One of the statistics provided by you all is from the Guttmacher Institute. You know they are funded by Planned Parenthood, correct?

Following the money, I would be VERY hesitant to believe anything they say.

I never said I couldn't get pregnant. I said I was clinically infertile. That is defined as no pregnancy after one year of trying. There are women with PCOS who do become pregnant and conceive naturally.

Let's not forget skewing statistics to make it sound as if there were masses of people lining up to adopt and not enough children to go around, when the opposite is true. And Agnurse if you care so much about the fate of abandoned/unwanted children, how come you're holding out for a baby when there are many, many older children waiting to be adopted, seems you also have a time limit about those you think are still viable when it comes to offering a home to an unwanted child.

Don't engage with agnurse waste of time. She's simultaneously being taken to task on gransnet. Refused to address any of mine or the other grans' questions. Resolution has been passed to ignore her. She's caused revulsion among the grans

Following the money, I would be VERY hesitant to believe anything they say.

As opposed to the many falsehoods and manipulations you've been attempting to get us to swallow on this thread!!!

We actually have a great thread (apart from agnurse bile) going on GN. Pop in and have a read. Really strengthening.

Well, let's hope you're never faced with a life threatening pregnancy.

Only engaging with her Mumma because these threads have a long shelf-life and wouldn't want anyone to think her so-called facts are anything other than lies, truth-bending and blatant emotional manipulation.