What on earth is going on in America??

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48275795

How can a supposedly 'civilised' society pass such a retrograde law?

And other states following suit?

We only see the nice articulate coffee shop version of the USA in the movies and on tv.
Away from the coasts America is far, far more culturally conservative than we think.

The worry of "backstreet" abortions is very high. Nobody will know/care if these people are qualified, they will simply want rid. You fill in the amounts of failed contraception as well as rapes and the number of people using such a "service", and putting their lives potentially are going to skyrocket.

Are we regressing to the Middle Ages?

Yes, I get that it will lead to unsafe abortions, but who will perform them now if they risk 99 years in jail?

At the very least it will lead to women leaving the state to have an abortion. They will need money for that, as well as setting time aside. That means a later abortion, which carries more risks and may require surgical procedures.

I don't get this conservative America thing. I have watched US TV programms that go out on mainstream US TV and am quite shocked about the graphic detail of violence, bad language, sex, etc.
They come across as so liberal in their TV viewing.
I feel quite confused.
Why are they so liberal stuff that makes my stomach churn (American Gothic) that they put on mainstream TV but so backwards thinking when it comes to unwanted pregnancies?

*America is an enormous and diverse country!!!!
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For those at the back.

The mainstream media in the U.S. is very biased in what they report.

Case in point - relatives of ours believed the BSE crisis ended in 2 weeks. It went on for MONTHS.

The conservative "minority" may well be MUCH higher than you think.

Comparing where I live in the States to Alabama is like comparing a Brit to a Russian.

No @agnurse the Republican media is biased. Fixed that for you.

America is an enormous and diverse country!!!

This ^ The UK is much smaller but there is still a diversity of opinion. I think we'd all be a bit pissid off if people assumed everyone in the UK supported the likes of Stephen Yaxley-Lennon or Jacob Rees-Mogg.

Oh I see. The ethics and expense of adoption matter to you but the ethics and expense of forcing women to carry pregnancies to term don't. Right. Good to know! Hope you don't consider yourself a Christian because your ideas of ethics seems conditional to whether or not they inconvenience you in any way.

Ok I can see the link between Jerry Brudos and thinking you've got a perpetual right to domeo d else's body but the rest of your analogy, agnurse, is batshit, ridiculous and in no way relevant. Honestly, you've got a master's degree (I don't think you've given your specific field) and you can't do better than making bizarre stuff like that up? Peer reviewed, researched evidence, you should be familiar with it!

I said that the ethics of snowflake (embryo) adoption mattered to me and that we could not personally adopt right now due to the expense.

I never said that other people shouldn't be allowed to adopt or that there is a problem with adoption itself.

There are more families waiting to adopt a baby than there are babies available to be adopted. That is a fact.

If you don't want to have children, why are you engaging in activities that you know will lead to children?

No-one knows that any given sexual act will lead to children. In particular, if they have taken adequate contraceptive precautions they know that the very strong likelihood is that it won't.

This is going to have some dreadful knock-on effects in terms of women's gynaecological and obstetrical health. Who would want to work in that field when, if they don't succeed in preventing a miscarriage, they could well find themselves in the dock alongside their unfortunate patient?

Twitter quote:

"You will never ban abortions. You will only ban safe abortions"

Another sad day for women. What century is this?

I'm wondering, agnurse, about your views in this situation:

A woman who is 17 weeks pregnant comes into hospital complaining initially of back pain and then of vaginal pressure. It is found that the gestational sac is protruding into her vagina and miscarriage is unavoidable. Eventually her waters break but the foetus is not expelled and there is a foetal heartbeat. Nevertheless, it is fully recognised that that foetus stands no chance whatsoever of surviving. Unless the mother has an abortion, there is a serious danger that she will develop sepsis from which she will die.

Should that woman be denied an abortion? After all, the foetus is alive, surely it would be wrong to kill it, right?

If you don't want to have children, why are you engaging in activities that you know will lead to children?

Oh god, this old chestnut. Please FOTTFSOFTFOSM.

They have things called antibiotics. They can treat her with those.

Preterm rupture of membranes is not uncommon. It's treated by giving antibiotics.

You do know that lots of people die from sepsis despite the existence of antibiotics, agnurse?

To take the example further, this woman does get sepsis, despite everyone doing their very best to treat her, she dies. Was it still right that she was refused an abortion?

Lying like they care about babies.. while they fight against national child health care, or free nursery places, and have no problem with the thousands of children taken from parents and sleeping on concrete floors at the border. Most sickening? The WOMEN who support this.. a woman governor signed this into law. Christian...seriously? More like anti-christ.

Women in Alabama can still travel out of state for abortions. I read somewhere here they could not.

Planned parenthood should be funding PSAs to inform women to get a home pregnancy test as soon as they have sex without the intention to procreate. Also they need to be buying pregnancy kits by the ton to hand out for free. Maybe do something on twitter, FB etc.

What got the pro-lifers in a froth here were the statements a few months ago about killing full term born alive unwanted babies if the mother requested it. IMO the pro-choicers didn't combat that loud enough.

I'm a conservative, an atheist and pro-choice - but certainly not up until full term unless the baby has serious genetic or health issues - or the mum's health is at risk. It's the thought of healthy sweet little newborn babies getting snuffed out that drives many people against pro-choice. Some people consider women so fickle they would actually change their mind while in full term labor and request their baby killed as soon as it see the light of day. No-shit.

The conservatives who are pro-life tend to be very religious and even they would rush their wife or daughter off for an abortion if she was raped.

States in the US have different laws btw and Mexico has a 12 week limit in the states that do allow abortions.

Anyone who says this

They have things called antibiotics. They can treat her with those.

Can't be a professional nurse. Maybe someone who had their degree 40 years ago and has read no news since then.

They have things called antibiotics. They can treat her with those.

I've had sepsis and even with two different IV antibiotics running at once, as well as symptom management and support, it's still just a waiting game to see whether the antibiotics kick in or not then as you recover it's a waiting game to see if any permanent damage has been done.

Abortions were banned in Romania.

They had a huge number of children with all different disabilities, some of those sustained as a result of a botched back street abortion attempt in their horror children's homes.

It's shocking to think things can go back to this in a democracy.