What on earth is going on in America??

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48275795

How can a supposedly 'civilised' society pass such a retrograde law?

And other states following suit?

What is an abortion going to do for the rape victim? Will it erase the rape? Will it bring about justice?

It will ensure the victim's life isn't put at risk.
It will ensure her health won't suffer as a result of the crime.
It will ensure her wishes are carried out instead of the rapist.
It will ensure she doesn't have to further suffer from the rape.

Do you think a woman should be jailed for 9 months for being raped?

@agnurse
As a married couple they willingly give each other the right to each other's bodies. They are no longer two, but one.

Wrong - I’ve never given anyone the right to my body and btw - you don’t need to be married to have sex, a pregnancy or an abortion.

Sex is for fun and not just a pregnancy.

Lweji

Did you read my article about all-cause mortality being HIGHER after an abortion than after a birth? You do also know that women can suffer from PTSD after a rape even if they don't become pregnant, right? You do also know that over half of women who are raped and become pregnant choose to keep the baby?

The ethics of snowflake adoption are controversial

The ethics of letting 12 year old rape victims being refused an abortion are controversial, but you're okay with refusing it. And is it ethical to let newborn babies die for want of a kidney?

For those of you who are saying there is no way I could be a nurse:

www.nursesforlife.org/?fbclid=IwAR0HENRcuH5RjLbdsvbchon7VbTINUvlj-WCZ_JHEPuwxovo_B73Nq8aeSs

I did a practicum with a pro-life physician, actually with a couple of different pro-life physicians.

We do exist.

Many of the US states where they are backwards in women’s rights are ultra conservative, religious Trump supporters.

That 'letting' shouldn't be there - it's been along day.

Obviously I've spent it getting jiggy with men and having abortions.

Here's one American who's grateful to be able to immigrate to Wales--and 1 June can't come too soon! My husband and I have a teen daughter, and we're desperate to free her from the U.S.'s rapidly worsening gun culture (in particular, the monthly active shooter drills). Cheers!

You do also know that over half of women who are raped and become pregnant choose to keep the baby?

Since the overwhelming majority - 2 out of three - rape victims don't report their rape there are no reliable statistics about the proportion of rape victims who become pregnant and their subsequent decisions about continuing with a pregnancy. In addition there's a difference between deciding to go ahead with a pregnancy in such traumatic circumstances and being forced to do so.
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/10/should-victims-be-able-to-have-abortions-republicans-dont-think-so

Did you read my article about all-cause mortality being HIGHER after an abortion than after a birth?

Your article? Did not write it?

Did you not read my comment on it?
And my links to other articles?

It's irrelevant how many women choose to keep their babies after rape. For one because many rapes are carried out by partners.

But the main point is whether a woman who doesn't want the baby resulting from the rape should be forced to go through 9 months of pregnancy and birth. Left with a scar or bladder problems. Should she be forced to suffer the risk, the pain, the changes to her body, just because a man forced himself on her against her wishes?

She's a victim. Not the criminal.

Agnurse but places like Alabama don't support poor women. So what happens then? No abortions but also no financial support?

Is it feasible that women can/will be able to go to another State for an abortion?
I fear this will see a huge rise in babies being put up for adoption.

I don’t care if 99.9% of women choose to go ahead with a pregnancy that is the result of rape - If 1 woman doesn’t want to go through with it then that’s enough for me.
I don’t have the right to tell anyone what they can do with their body & nobody should have the right to take that choice away from me.

They tend to support gun ownership, though.
And the death penalty.

I also bet most pro-life married men would be (have been) happy to pay their mistresses for abortions.

From the site agnurse linked to:

The new position claims that “people with decision making capacity have the right to stop eating and drinking as a means of hastening death.” (Termed VSED for “Voluntary Stopping of Eating and Drinking.) Unfortunately, for us as pro-life nurses, that means that the ANA will expect that nurses will comply with this decision and “honor” this decision, making us complicit with this form of suicide.

nebula.wsimg.com/e54a3ca092482e237c5eb0a07ec350b1?AccessKeyId=B6FE1B941C60E44DBD2D&disposition=0&alloworigin=1

This seems to be saying that this organisation believes in the forced feeding of terminally ill people. For all sorts of reasons, people who are dying stop eating, often it's because as the body shuts down they become unable to swallow, and to digest food. It's actually cruel to force food into people who can not digest it.

These are not good people. They are ideologues who are advocating for what is considered a form of torture.

I believe anti-choice nurses exist. I just believe that even those nurses have a certain standard of intelligence that is clearly lacking in certain people claiming to be nurses.

Busy people's summary: having an abortion was associated with an increase in all-cause mortality for women afterward. This means that it's not just about looking at mortality from the procedure itself. It's looking at the risks of dying by accidents, suicide, homicide, and natural causes.

As pregnancy/birth are also associated with an increase in all-cause mortality for women afterwards then perhaps we should ban those too, along with abortions?

I fear this will see a huge rise in babies being put up for adoption.

Don't fear; it won't. It will lead to more women dying from unsafe abortions and more unwanted babies being raised in poverty, neglect, or abuse. But anti-choice people are fine with that as they stop caring about the "child" once it becomes an actual person and not a foetus. It's all about punishing women, not about protecting babies.

Did you read my article about all-cause mortality being HIGHER after an abortion than after a birth?

But as the researchers behind that study admit all they have is correlation not causation; you could, for example, find that people who wore blue later had lung cancer but the fact that people had a: worn blue, b: had lung cancer only demonstrates correlation, it does not demonstrate that wearing blue caused lung cancer. There are however other studies that show that women are at higher risk of death in countries with restricted abortion laws i.e. restrict abortion and more women are likely to die:

Unsafe abortion is one of the commonest causes of maternal mortality. Abortion-related maternal deaths are higher in countries with the most restrictive abortion laws.

bmcwomenshealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12905-018-0705-y

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/may/14/abortion-bill-alabama-passes-ban-six-weeks-us-no-exemptions-vote-latest

I've always felt that the most vehement pro lifers want to punish not just the woman but the child as well. What better way to ensure that a child is punished than by bringing them into the world to a mother who doesn't want them. Then she can struggle to meet their emotional needs and leave them with a lifetime of their own emotional difficulty. Or she can struggle to feed them and they can be born into a cycle of poverty and the associated risks of that. Or she can give the baby up for adoption. And that's a lottery too, because many people are adopted into wonderful loving families but many are adopted into families where there needs are not met. And then as an adult you can trace your birth family and if you're really lucky you can discover that your mother was a drug addict and prostitute and your father raped her. Let's face it, the people with the placards are unlikely to have lived a heartbreaking existence like the one they want to force the developing embryo to live.

The law includes a ban on abortion in cases of rape or incest.

This makes me sad. I was raped. My DP was raped. My DD was raped.

This is a fucking joke. America is getting ridiculous.

Yes, I get that it will lead to unsafe abortions, but who will perform them now if they risk 99 years in jail?
However, if a woman is now going to be forced to go through with a pregnancy that they do not want then adoption seems their only choice.

What's your problem with IVF then @agnurse? Don't you want to create lots of little babies that you can then bring forth?

I'm so sorry Simply, it reinforces Isabelle's point pro-lifers don't care about the trauma that unwanted pregnancy can relate to, and since incest can be a major life-altering trauma for the resulting child as well as a cause of many possible genetic health problems they clearly don't care much for children either.